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Alan, who is the author? Do you know if/when the adv nitrox / deco proc manuals are being re-written?

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I understood that the new version of these manuals were just released this past summer. I'd have to double check with someone more in the know to be certain though.

There could be more info on the TDI website: http://www.tdisdi.com/
 
I love it when people pull the age card.

Me too ... especially when she tells me I'm old enough to be her father ... :(

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
I took a TDI Adv. Nitrox/Deco class this past year and I'd have to say that at least 50% of what was taught was outside the book. The instructor tailored the lessons to the divers' interests and spotlighted the higher points in gas planning and let us figure out how conservative to be and make it back every time. We had 2 classes on just planning and how it's done in the real world cave situations.

I'm not sure I'd be satisfied with only what was covered in the text. Just because you took the TDI class doesn't mean you are done learning in that area, other texts and other divers should influence you to evolve a bit after class. I've read parts of the IANTD and PADI TecRec Adv. Nitrox/Deco books, and I was able to glean some things out of both. You have to choose to expand your knowledge past what was spoon fed to you in class. There are many ways to accomplish the same objective.

One of my regular dive buddies doesn't like to use O2, He likes 50% for deco. I enjoy diving with him all the same.

Jeff has valid points and is entitled to them just like everyone else, so not hating goes both ways.

Jason
 
To my knowledge, I have the latest and greatest versions of the TDI Advanced Nitrox and Decompression Procedures books. I don't have them on hand, but I think they were written in the 2000/2001 time frame. The material is those two books are severely out dated as there has been progress in decompression theory and a better understanding of how the body reacts to gases under pressure. Even by 2000 we had a greater understand of these topics, but the author either thought the newer information was to premature to include or chose to ignore it all together. I understand that TDI is making progress in updating it's class material .. maybe even the standards. I don't know anybody higher up within TDI to be able to say what exactly is happening to revamp their programs. I read and pay attention to what ever Steve Lewis posts on TheDecoStop.com because I believe he is a wealth of experience and knowledge. I look forward to reading the updated texts that he is working on and has already published. One man can only do so much in a given day however. Until the programs are revamped though, I can only go by what the programs are currently and from what I've seen of the two classes I've taken they are drastically behind the curve and dare I say vintage 1990? What do I know though? Like you said, I'm only 26.
You have a valid point - but so do some other people.

I have some vintage dive manuals from the 60's as well as a tape of Lloyd Bridges telling people how to scuba dive. It's nice to know where we have been as those who do not heed the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them - another excellent point you allude to.

I also took the TDI Advanced Nitrox and Deco Procedures course a few years ago. I did raise my eyebrows a bit initially at the reference to US Navy tables in the book as I have not used a US Navy table in at least a decade. When I first learned deco procedures in the late 1980's, US Navy tables were the standard, but they have for the most part fallen out of favor with the advent of more modern deco theory and models.

But as a former college professor I realized that was not the point of using them in the TDI manuals - the point was they HAVE been around for years, the tables are readily availabel and most of even the newest rec divers have familiarity with US Navy based tables (such as the PADI RDP, etc that use the same format) so they represent a good place to start and some common ground on which to focus on procedure. And the point of a course is to learn procedures and concepts. If an attempt to do otherwise had been made, decisions would have had to have been made as to what software or tables among numeropus options available to a modern technical diver would have to be used. That would have put substantial emphasis on learning to use a particular table or program rather than on learning producures that apply to any dive with any table. Plus it would have deviated from TDI's underlying theme that the diver, no one else, is primarily responsible for their planning and conduct of the dive.

Of course the instructor then augmented the text with much more material - that is what they are for - including a supplemental text that he liked and the in water procuedures were much more of what you would probably consider being up to date.

So the previous posters are correct that in a rapidly evolving sport the manuals are out of date the day they are published and that putting faith in or having the expectation that any manual is going to be cutting edge makes about as much sense as listening to Lloyd Bridges tell you how to scuba dive.

But you have a valid point that the fact that I in particular or other divers in general were doing deco dives when you were 5 is not relevant as the merits of anyone's arguments should not be judged soley on their age. On the other hand you have to understand that we older divers have all had the experience of being 26 and more importantly we all have the memories of how much more we thought we knew then tempered with the realization that comes with more expereince of how little we really understood then. It's the compensation you get for the aches and pains that come with that age and experience.
 
I like old TDI better than new TDI material. I see the old having more technical information, while newer stuff more glam and less content.

Steve Lewis isn't someone I'm familiar with, but he can not compete with the Tim O'Leary and Bruce Wienke's of the world when it come down to the informations of trimix diving.

All courses come down to instructor teaching, but the materials are more modern from Wienke and O'Leary vs. TDI.

GUE also makes the good points in their information.

Check out knowlege and dives of your instructor and see if you like there dive ability and what they teach you because you need to be in the water together with them not us and you can't learn trimix dives on line.
 
Oh well. You will get them anyways.

Since you can't be put on the "ignore" list we are indeed stuck with having to
skip over your snipey posts.
 
Since you can't be put on the "ignore" list we are indeed stuck with having to
skip over your snipey posts.
Tis a shame.
 
Since you can't be put on the "ignore" list we are indeed stuck with having to
skip over your snipey posts.

JeffG is like a pesky bone spur....ever present :crafty:
 
Of the 12 or so certification courses I have completed, Deco Procedures and Advanced Nitrox were the best courses. My instructor was/is a practicing deep technical diver with over 8000 dives and even the DM for my courses was a deep technical diver with over 2000 dives. Deep is relative to the diver of course, these guys had done the Doria, lot's of dives on the U869, as well as other 300' cold water dives on trimix rebreathers of course. I wanted to learn from instructors who go to deep, dark, scary places.
 

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