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I talaked to a reliable source who had just hung up with the invesitgators, I wont name the organization. As told....Information is still coming in some is being released and some is not. It was an old 70-71 Walter Kidee AL tank out of hydro and vis. Took a leg off and seriously damaged the other. Accident was fully avoidable with existing preocesses and proceedures. Perhaps there is more info out there that is valid to add. Its too bad lives have to be lost form such preventable events occuring.
Actually spelled "Walter Kidde." The fire extinguisher company was acquired in 1988 and the name is still used on smoke alarms and other products altho Mr Kidde died in 1943. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Kidde and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidde

I've believe that Walter Kidde tanks were 6351 tanks made prior to 1988, when Luxfer changed alloys and the Kidde tanks were discontinued, if I have that correct.

List of 6351 scuba tanks: http://www.scubabomb.freeservers.com/List.htm
Does not cover SCBA or other tanks.

I'm just trying to figure out why on earth you need 50 tanks . . .

:)

- Ken
His profile says "I do underwater criminal investigations with a state dive team."
 
I talaked to a reliable source who had just hung up with the invesitgators, I wont name the organization. As told....Information is still coming in some is being released and some is not. It was an old 70-71 Walter Kidee AL tank out of hydro and vis. Took a leg off and seriously damaged the other. Accident was fully avoidable with existing preocesses and proceedures. Perhaps there is more info out there that is valid to add. Its too bad lives have to be lost form such preventable events occuring.

That is a rather alarming piece of information.
 
TDo you mean you checked and it did not have current hydro dates stamped into the tank or it was missing a viz sticker?

Yes. To both. I frequently see thanks where the only hydro stamp is from the factory and there's no sticker for vis and there's all sorts of corrosion around the neck.

If I was given a rental tank with an out of date hydro I would not take it.

In that case, you would not be diving, since what happens is you get on the boat and whatever tanks are there, are there.

But you should ask about how the tanks are inspected.

It's unlikely you would get a useful answer from anybody on the boat.

Sniff your air to see if it smells funny.

If the air smells bad, it's bad. If the air doesn't smell bad, it might still be bad. CO is odorless.

I carry a CO analyzer but it doesn't help much in explosions.

flots
 
I honestly never check the tanks. I can dive the tanks on the boat, or refuse, so as long as it passes my testing - I go. The explosion risks are pretty much at the fill shack, maybe the way they are delivered. Once on the boat, even if one did explode - we'd all be there for it anyway.
 
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If you are aware that the tanks you are diving are out of hydro and visual and you choose to take the chance and dive them then you are aware of the risks involved and the possibility of an explosion. However if enough divers complained to management about unsafe tanks and took their business to another shop that had safe equipment maybe things would change. You don't have to wait until you are on the boat to check out the gear.

I suspect a lot of diver going to that destination will be now looking at the hydro dates, viz stickers and older Luxfer and Walter Kidde tanks. Unfortunately it often takes a tragedy before things change.

I feel sorry for the dead employee. I am sure he knew they were cutting corners but because he needed a job so he did not bring up the issue with his boss or maybe his boss just did not care. Sadly he is the one that paid the price because his employer did not do it right.

I had two Walter Kidde tanks. I cut the tanks off at the shoulder and used them to make a display for some of my double hose regs.
 
OK. It's time to call a time out. There's too much speculation, finger pointing, and rumor about what actually happened in this tragic accident.

I looked through my pictures from SCC and found one from 2007 clearly showing the hydro stamps.
 

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OK. It's time to call a time out. There's too much speculation, finger pointing, and rumor about what actually happened in this tragic accident.

I looked through my pictures from SCC and found one from 2007 clearly showing the hydro stamps.

Looks like that photo also shows that the tank was out of hydro for 6 months before the 02/00 stamp. Maybe it was also out of service.

I have never seen a Vis sticker on a tank anywhere but in the USA. Even here, I know of a couple ops that do not place VIS stickers on their tanks because they are the only ones to fill them.

Neither a current hydro nor a current VIS is required to use a tank. Only to fill them under some authorities. But that is obviously up to the user. You can always decline to dive.
 
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If you are aware that the tanks you are diving are out of hydro and visual and you choose to take the chance and dive them then you are aware of the risks involved and the possibility of an explosion. However if enough divers complained to management about unsafe tanks and took their business to another shop that had safe equipment maybe things would change. You don't have to wait until you are on the boat to check out the gear.

I suspect a lot of diver going to that destination will be now looking at the hydro dates, viz stickers and older Luxfer and Walter Kidde tanks. Unfortunately it often takes a tragedy before things change.

I feel sorry for the dead employee. I am sure he knew they were cutting corners but because he needed a job so he did not bring up the issue with his boss or maybe his boss just did not care. Sadly he is the one that paid the price because his employer did not do it right.

I had two Walter Kidde tanks. I cut the tanks off at the shoulder and used them to make a display for some of my double hose regs.

Quite a few assumptions in there.


This whole subject has been an eye opener for me.
Of course in OW training there is some stuff on tank markings, but in nearly 80 dives I have never checked the inspection dates on a single tank. Being a relatively new diver, I just presumed these issues were of a rarity that I didn't need to worry about it. New divers have more immediate issues like buoyancy and gas management to think about. Then a level of complacency sets in once you 'think' you know something about diving.

This board- and the Accidents section in particular- have been invaluable for waking me from my slumber. Risks such as diving too deep, for too long, expansion injuries, getting bent- are all under own control. Issues like an exploding tank spook me most. Goes without saying I will be checking every tank inspection date from now on. The odds are on our side, but risk without reward is stupid it pays to be diligent. Checked on the dock before leaving, the worst that can happen is that the boat master thinks you are a pain in the ass for wanting a different tank.

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I honestly never check the tanks. I can dive the tanks on the boat, or refuse, so as long as it passes my testing - I go. The explosion risks are pretty much at the fill shack, maybe the way they are delivered. Once on the boat, even if one did explode - we'd all be there for it anyway.

Agree that a tank failure is most likely during or shortly after filling. It can still take time for it to go. I would rather the tank wasn't on my back or by my legs if it did.

I would still like to get hold of some real data on tank failure frequency. I suspect it is a very rare event but like this one- so lethal when it happens- that we could easily give it more weighting than it is due. You are probably right. Bad air is probably a much bigger risk.

Does anyone keep or publish statistics on these events?
 
I'm just trying to figure out why on earth you need 50 tanks . . .

:)

- Ken
"Need?" Tanks accumulate... a few years ago I counted & realized I had over 30... since gotten rid of some; I think I've got it back down to under 20...
:)
Rick
 
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