tangential issues from a mishap thread

[coldwatercanada]

"It drives me NUTS that so many divers don't take a rescue course. In fact, perhaps SRD should be a prerequisite for a deep dive in cold water. There was no need for the victim to fall back to depth. What might have been a rescue followed by successful CPR almost certainly became a recovery effort after the buddy dropped the diver then couldn't raise the victim. It is a simple matter to orally inflate someone else's BCD, and that is precisely what should have been done. "

the last time i got into a PADI vs everyone else i had my account removed due to complaints ha ha so well just agree to dissagree

 

[coldwatercanada]

if you have access to dan you can fin the first stat, the second stat is from padi its self as dan doesnt distinguish between training accidents and none training accidents. I'd recomond calling both dan and padi for the states as its easier then surfing through the books.

All dan memebers get access to the yearly report sometimes you have to read it too find out.

 

[coldwatercanada]

"It would be even cooler if I actually saw any of it in practice. lol (but they will play the card..."You were not around when I had my class....blah blah blah."

If you dont i'd recomond switching stores

 

[JeffG]

"It would be even cooler if I actually saw any of it in practice. lol (but they will play the card..."You were not around when I had my class....blah blah blah."

If you dont i'd recomond switching stores

Huh? English isn't your strong suit, is it?

If I don't what? Ever seen classes like you guys describe?

Nope never have. I see students kneeling in the muck holding a rope so that the instructor can find his students in the silt.

1:1 Ratio of instructor to student? Only if the instructor couldn't find more students to teach. Sure as hell didn't do it for safety reasons.

 

[coldwatercanada]

id recomond switching stores lol

 

[boulderjohn]

if you have access to dan you can fin the first stat, the second stat is from padi its self as dan doesnt distinguish between training accidents and none training accidents. I'd recomond calling both dan and padi for the states as its easier then surfing through the books.

All dan memebers get access to the yearly report sometimes you have to read it too find out.

Let me repeat what I said earlier. I read the DAN reports every year. I have followed the PADI reports on fatalities in the Undersea Journal carefully--the last one just came out days ago.

The reason I asked you for the SPECIFIC source is that I don't believe either DAN or PADI says anything of the kind. I think you made those statistics up. I am not going to search for something I don't think is there. YOU cited the statistics--YOU provide the source.

 

[JeffG]

id recomond switching stores lol

and which stores am I using?

I guess reading is an issue as well.

 

[jester1226]

I don't want to turn this into a PADI rant, and I don't know how experienced this diver was, but maybe it is time to review the practice of divers with next to no experience outside of their OW course being allowed to do AOW courses.

Your certifiying agency only requires a few more dives for the advanced course, so please, come off the SSI high horse !
I do agree that ALL agencys should require more dives for the advance course, not to mention make it something more than a Specialty
Course Sampler!

 

[markmantei]

Your certifiying agency only requires a few more dives for the advanced course, so please, come off the SSI high horse !
I do agree that ALL agencys should require more dives for the advance course, not to mention make it something more than a Specialty
Course Sampler!

SSI high horse??? I never even mentioned SSI. You did. That said the SSI AOW is not a course, but a certification gained after completing 4 complete specialties (not the sample size courses) and 24 OW dives. But yes, I think it has been hashed out in other threads that completing AOW does not make a diver advanced.

 

[boulderjohn]

"I'd recomond calling both dan and padi for the stats as its easier then surfing through the books."

ummmmmm yah need there numbers? call and ask thats what i did when i was looking into this accident. they gave me no info on the accident but still answered questions i had.

OK, it's getting pretty clear that I am not going to get the information from you. I am not sure whether you are trying to evade the question or are as obtuse as you appear to be. I am going to try to spell it out in terms that the other people reading this thread can understand.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, but after two clear evasions, I NOW BELIEVE YOU ARE FLAT OUT LYING.

I hope that is clear enough.

Now, here is why I feel that way.

You said that the information in support of your outrageous claims can be found easily in both DAN and PADI. I have told you that I am quite familiar with the documents you cite, and there is nothing like that in them. You keep telling me to go to those sources and find the information, and I keep telling you I have gone to those sources, and the information is not there.

This may be hard for you to understand, but when Person A says that certain research exists, and Person B says it does not exist, then it is up to Person A to show the evidence. Person B cannot show that something doesn't exist except to say that he has read the materials and can't find it.

I have read the materials, and I can't find it.

If you show me the evidence, I will apologize for doubting you.