Swivel recall/time to change

[victor]

Plus DIR is BP/W, and again Air2 doesn't really fit there

So, Air2 doesn't suit DIR philosophy, hence it's not DIR

HTH

While I agree that AIR2 is not DIR I don't see why you can't use one with a BP/W

Please explain

 

[Nemrod]

JFYI, I have used the DiveRite 90 degree elbow swivel now for several years with good success. Since I often solo dive I have no need for long 5 and 7 foot hoses on those dives, the 90 degree elbow allows a close and compact, tangle free arrangement with the 40 inch hose looped under my arm. It does not provide any greater failure point than the standard straight swivel almost all regulators have except for those equipped fromthe factory like the Sherwood with a 90 degree elbow--lol.

When diving with a buddy nothing changes, I just add a second short hose 22/24 inch second stage that goes over my shoulder and bungees to my neck with a breakaway bungee.

The 90 degree elbow can also be useful for stages, slung pony bottles etc.

N

 

[beanojones]

JFYI, I have used the DiveRite 90 degree elbow swivel now for several years with good success. Since I often solo dive I have no need for long 5 and 7 foot hoses on those dives, the 90 degree elbow allows a close and compact, tangle free arrangement with the 40 inch hose looped under my arm.

So you use it on the long hose, and there is no tugging?

 

[beanojones]

So, Air2 doesn't suit DIR philosophy, hence it's not DIR

You can look in the DIR forum for further info, just be aware that it isn't for questions about why DIR, only how

That does seem to be the case: You can hear that something is DIR, not why.

It does seem a bit circular that Air2 is not DIR, therefore it is not DIR.

 

[Nemrod]

So you use it on the long hose, and there is no tugging?

Long hose? I use it on the 40 inch hose routed under my rh arm. Of course it tugs, all single hose regulators tug, if you go under the arm they tug down, if you go over the shoulder they tug left and right, if you go long hose (Hog) and wrap around your neck it still tugs left and right.

It does not tug any more than any other method and probably less, it is streamlined and comfortable to me. Your results may vary.

N

 

[Tortuga68]

While I agree that AIR2 is not DIR I don't see why you can't use one with a BP/W

Please explain

Well I use a halcyon eclipse, and the fittings are different - I imagine you could install an air2 if you really wanted to, but you'd have to change the hose as well, or do something else, not sure. It wouldn't be a straight swap of the power inflator for the air2, from what I can see. Don't know about other brands

That does seem to be the case: You can hear that something is DIR, not why.

It does seem a bit circular that Air2 is not DIR, therefore it is not DIR.

I was just letting you know the rules of the DIR forum - they're there to avoid debate/trolling on why DIR; the rules of DIR already being agreed

As far as why air2 isn't DIR, DIR specifies your backup second stage is bungied under your chin, for easy access; obviously air2 doesn't meet that. Of course you could have a bungied backup AND air2, but DIR philosophy is minimalist - you don't take anything you don't need, so double-redundancies are not required

HTH

 

[Nemrod]

That does seem to be the case: You can hear that something is DIR, not why.

It does seem a bit circular that Air2 is not DIR, therefore it is not DIR.

DIR has a standard configuration, they have rules, you either agree or not. Part of what makes the DIR system unique and functional is the standardized equipemnt and techniques. By their rules, an AIR II is not acceptable for a DIR (or a Hog rig) configuration, it deviates from their equipment protocol and their technique protocol, it is not DIR.

I am not DIR, if you choose to use an AIR II, you will not be either. The Borg Collective is not happy when you mess with their system.

N

 

[Tortuga68]

@beano - FYI: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/dir/44823-what-dir.html

 

[John_B]

JFYI, I have used the DiveRite 90 degree elbow swivel now for several years with good success. Since I often solo dive I have no need for long 5 and 7 foot hoses on those dives, the 90 degree elbow allows a close and compact, tangle free arrangement with the 40 inch hose looped under my arm. It does not provide any greater failure point than the standard straight swivel almost all regulators have except for those equipped fromthe factory like the Sherwood with a 90 degree elbow--lol.

When diving with a buddy nothing changes, I just add a second short hose 22/24 inch second stage that goes over my shoulder and bungees to my neck with a breakaway bungee.

The 90 degree elbow can also be useful for stages, slung pony bottles etc.

N

I agree 100%.

Make that, I agree 100% with Nem.

Who knew?

 

[Randy43068]

Sure it makes sense. One unsafe practice upon another. What the hell, if diving solo then who cares how many failure points on has in his gear.

All kidding aside, I see no use for a swivel on scuba hoses at all. I've also seen people bail on dives because the damn thing has a problem. I've seen them leaking while underwater.. I also see no need whatsoever for the thing.