Swimming vs. Snorkling in OW Course

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Thalassamania:
That can be a piece of it. The jock that jumps in and whips off a sub 25 sec 50 meters you know has the watermanship (and is going to be an attitude problem), the guy who starts of doing the elementary backstroke or sidestroke, but never changes pace or stroke but finishes a few seconds ahead of the deadline … well you don’t really know about him till the end.
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Forgive my reasking this question, I'm not sure if you didn't see it or chose not to respond, but I am really hoping you will. I would like to understand why you would feel a strong fast swimmer is the sign of an attitude problem, not the sign of someone who is showing commitment to something, thus enebling this great swimming that you see. I allways see that as the sign of a good attitude, and I'm curious why your experience has led you to the opposite conclusion.

Thanks

Also as an aside,
Thalassamania:
Kari, nothing hasty there, those two go way back on this subject.
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I believe you are mistaken. I can't find any instance of Walter and I discussing this subject before. I've only been active on SB since last month, and from checking through my previous posts it would appear he and I never spoke before the 8th of this month. I haven't really had time to be going way back with anyone about anything.
 
mjatkins:
Forgive my reasking this question, I'm not sure if you didn't see it or chose not to respond, but I am really hoping you will. I would like to understand why you would feel a strong fast swimmer is the sign of an attitude problem, not the sign of someone who is showing commitment to something, thus enebling this great swimming that you see. I allways see that as the sign of a good attitude, and I'm curious why your experience has led you to the opposite conclusion.
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When you take a group out on a boat whom do you keep an especial eye on? For me it’s first in the water and last in the water. Not that there are always problems there, but when there are problems that’s where they most often come from. Same sort of thing here. With high school and college age students (where the bulk of my teaching has been) the competitive swimmer that knocks off 30 second splits, breathing every other stroke with relaxed flip turns is never a problem; but the one that pushes sub 25s, breathing less than every other stroke and does flip turns in a blur, bears watching. Not a 100% for sure, absolutely by gosh, kind of thing, but a good rule of thumb.
mjatkins:
I believe you are mistaken. I can't find any instance of Walter and I discussing this subject before. I've only been active on SB since last month, and from checking through my previous posts it would appear he and I never spoke before the 8th of this month. I haven't really had time to be going way back with anyone about anything.
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Forgive me, I’m sometimes easy to confuse, especially when it comes to my good comrade Walter. We’ve all been a bit feisty of late and it’s sometime hard to keep track.
 
mjatkins:
I believe you are mistaken. I can't find any instance of Walter and I discussing this subject before.
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The subject is not swimming, the subject is you twisting my words. You did the same thing after you had a cow when I asked you a question.
 
Bart? Is that you?

Apparently the "benefit of the doubt" is short lived on scubaboard.

kari
 
Walter:
The subject is not swimming, the subject is you twisting my words. You did the same thing after you had a cow when I asked you a question.
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Walter, the problem I had with you previously was as I stated ad nauseum, that you twisted my words by deleting half of my sentence then posting it as a quote. The entire thing was about you twisting words Walter, not me!

I hoped that you were mature enough to move on from that argument, but apparently you are not. If you no longer wish to answer my questions, that is your choice. But I will not be going away, or be bullied by you. You can try and paint me as what ever you want, but as I have stated in the past, I came to this site to share ideas and learn. I have found SB to be very enlightening despite you, and will continue to use it for my stated purpose.

You don't like me, fine! To quote you; I understand, I don't care, get over it.

Now can we please move on to useful posting, I grow weary of your pouting.
 
Thalassamania:
but the one that pushes sub 25s, breathing less than every other stroke and does flip turns in a blur, bears watching. Not a 100% for sure, absolutely by gosh, kind of thing, but a good rule of thumb.
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Isn´t the swimtest 200m? What does breathing less often than every other stroke have to do with anything?

My "comfort zone" is 4-stroke and for 200 meters I don´t see a point in "pacing" myself, I just don´t see the correlation but then I´m not an instructor either...
 
mjatkins:
Walter, the problem I had with you previously was as I stated ad nauseum, that you twisted my words by deleting half of my sentence then posting it as a quote. The entire thing was about you twisting words Walter, not me!
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I agree it went on way too long. I disagree with who was twisting what.

mjatkins:
I hoped that you were mature enough to move on from that argument, but apparently you are not.
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I have moved on, but when you say it never took place, you really didn't expect to go unchallenged, did you?

mjatkins:
If you no longer wish to answer my questions, that is your choice. But I will not be going away, or be bullied by you. You can try and paint me as what ever you want, but as I have stated in the past, I came to this site to share ideas and learn. I have found SB to be very enlightening despite you, and will continue to use it for my stated purpose.
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Yes, it is. Sometimes, a discussion takes place between two people in which both try to understand the other. Sometimes, one person cannot seem to listen to what the other has to say. Matthew, you seem to have that problem if anyone disagrees with the PADI party line. There's little point in answering your questions. I don't want you to go away and you failing to understand my points does not equate to me bullying you.

mjatkins:
You don't like me, fine! To quote you; I understand, I don't care, get over it.
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I don't dislike you, I don't know you. I do have an idea of your philosophy of teaching. It does not mesh well with mine. I think you are just about as wrong as you could possibly be, but I support your right to discuss that philosophy and to teach in the manner you choose to teach.

mjatkins:
Now can we please move on to useful posting, I grow weary of your pouting.
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Believe me, if I were going to pout it would be about something much more significant than your inability to understand. I agree, move on.
 
Walter and mjatkins should meet in person one day to duke this out. :eyebrow:
 
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