Suit filed in case of "Girl dead, boy injured at Glacier National Park

[Wookie]

New filing in the suit. Includes information I had but couldn’t share, including PADI and Gull Diving and instructor issuing 7 certifications to 3 students for the fatal dive. One student was not even at the dive site for the dive for which he was issued a certification.

https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21...b26963e85b2b5ea3590612dc0b91&oe=60F464AB&dl=1

 

[Wookie]

The certifications were issued by PADI after they were notified of the fatality on this training dive.

 

[Wookie]

Snow left the scene and Liston wasn’t transported until the next day, so they were available to speak to the coroner’s investigator, although the ship owner said they weren’t.
How is this not criminal?

 

[Omisson]

New filing in the suit. Includes information I had but couldn’t share, including PADI and Gull Diving and instructor issuing 7 certifications to 3 students for the fatal dive. One student was not even at the dive site for the dive for which he was issued a certification.

Wow. For someone who has been in the diving industry as long as you have- this misdirection takes the cake.

Every agency - as you know very well - gives the instructor the option to Pre-order the cert cards for people who -sign up for their classes - and they are then sent to the instructor in advance of the completion of the course - it’s routine and indicates nothing.

The fact that they were processed for the fatality or that they included some no-show diver for the class is utterly meaningless because the instructor is supposed to notify the agency when certs are Pre-ordered IF the student fails to complete the anticipated certification.

Really…talk about being disingenuous in a post…

 

[kammel78]

Wow. For someone who has been in the diving industry as long as you have- this misdirection takes the cake.

Every agency - as you know very well - gives the instructor the option to Pre-order the cert cards for people who -sign up for their classes - and they are then sent to the instructor in advance of the completion of the course - it’s routine and indicates nothing.

The fact that they were processed for the fatality or that they included some no-show diver for the class is utterly meaningless because the instructor is supposed to notify the agency when certs are Pre-ordered IF the student fails to complete the anticipated certification.

Really…talk about being disingenuous in a post…

That would imply that the other "students" Bob and Linnea would be issued certs as well, correct?

The suit specifically states that "In the weeks and months AFTER....PADI issued". This implies that they weren't pre-ordered, especially adding "months" to the statement.

 

[Omisson]

Some times these certs - especially in the past two years have taken months to come after ordering….

Very likely a mid-Covid placed cert card request went 4-8 weeks before being processed. I had a public safety diver cert take 7 weeks in December and an instructor specialty cert from February took until April to arrive-


Sad - but true. There is nothing sinister or legally significant about this information.

 

[kammel78]

Some times these certs - especially in the past two years have taken months to come after ordering….
Sad - but true.

So, plenty of time for the instructor to cancel them? And like I said, logic would dictate that they would've done the same for Bob and Linnea and they'd have certs, too.

I don't think it's disingenuous to assume that someone who has show a pattern of gross negligence and with questionable ethics (threatening Bob with litigation, instructor blaming a student on FB, giving false information to authorities, etc) has done other things of questionable ethics.

Not to mention that they only people who received these, possibly late, certs are all on the defendants' side and the ones who didn't get certs are on the plaintiffs' (at least Wilson wasn't initially a plaintiff). It's not a stretch at all to imagine this as an attempt to "make nice" with people who could potentially testify against you. Now, if Bob and Linnea did get certs and they conveniently left that out of the filing, then that makes it a little more credible.

 

[Wookie]

Wow. For someone who has been in the diving industry as long as you have- this misdirection takes the cake.

Every agency - as you know very well - gives the instructor the option to Pre-order the cert cards for people who -sign up for their classes - and they are then sent to the instructor in advance of the completion of the course - it’s routine and indicates nothing.

The fact that they were processed for the fatality or that they included some no-show diver for the class is utterly meaningless because the instructor is supposed to notify the agency when certs are Pre-ordered IF the student fails to complete the anticipated certification.

Really…talk about being disingenuous in a post…

What part is misdirection? Had the instructor pre-ordered the cards, she is responsible to not issue them until all standards are met. She certifies that to PADI when she signs for them. But that wasn’t the case here. She certified that the dives were complete after the dive had taken place. And PADI likely doesn’t connect QA (diver died) to card services. This isn’t completely on PADI, except they claim to have a robust QA process
You are council I believe. Would you want to defend issuing a card to a diver that wasn’t even there on a fatal dive and claiming a robust QA process seem even a little like an uphill battle to 12 non-divers, or is that a walk in the park?

 

[TheWacoKid]

These people should be thanking their lucky stars that they were not charged criminally.

 

[Catito]

Update on this accident. Suit has been filed. Pretty horrifying as described. Warning, there are some graphic photos in the suit.

Terrible. Cannot read it all. My heart goes out to the family.