Suit filed in case of "Girl dead, boy injured at Glacier National Park

[Marie13]

To clarify, my position is that it's premature to conclude she must have asphyxiated, not that she couldn't have asphyxiated. This is in response to Ayisha's post saying "she was asphyxiated, not drowned, right?" I'm just saying we don't know.

Granted, there's a lot we don't know; I've been taking the claims in the complaint as true for the most part, and they might not be. But some seem more likely than others.

The claims about the lack of a drysuit inflator hose, for example, are accompanied by a photo of a diver in a drysuit, and I can see for myself there's no hose attached. The instructor has sorta conceded that Bob was, in fact, taking pictures, in that social media post where she accused him of doing that instead of rescuing Linnea, so it's a stretch for me to believe that whole narrative with photos was faked.

But whether Linnea drowned or asphyxiated is something the plaintiffs could be mistaken about, without being dishonest. I'm actually not sure how we could ever be sure either way.

Bob had a GoPro running. Wrist or chest mounted, I don’t remember. Any of the stills were screen grabs.

 

[Ayisha]

Bob had a GoPro running. Wrist or chest mounted, I don’t remember. Any of the stills were screen grabs.

The Complaint alleges that Bob's GoPro was wrist mounted.

 

[Esprise Me]

... and now that I think about it further, I'm pretty sure asphyxia is an umbrella term that includes drowning. I interpreted Ayisha's post about Linnea asphyxiating, not drowning, to mean that she died from mechanical asphyxiation caused by suit squeeze vs. water inhalation. But either way, I think it would be accurate to say she asphyxiated.

 

[Ayisha]

...Almost all diving fatality reports list drowning as the cause. As DAN regularly reports in its annual fatality issue, they never list what led to the drowning. If some asphyxiates, they will first pass out. Then they will drown.

Yes, the Cause of Death is almost always attributed to drowning in SCUBA accidents, without identifying the events leading to a death.

DAN identifies 4 parts of an incident that lead to a fatality: the trigger; the disabling agent; the disabling injury; and the cause of death.

I can look for it later if anyone wants to see the DAN articles...

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

Bob had a GoPro running. Wrist or chest mounted, I don’t remember. Any of the stills were screen grabs.

Wrist. It isnt going to be smooth video. The jury will watch it. It will likely show how chaotic the situation was. If i was a family member I would have to leave the courtroom when it is shown to the jury.

 

[BRT]

For how long did they experience that squeeze? I reported only as far as 50 feet, and my body was covered with bruises.

Almost all diving fatality reports list drowning as the cause. As DAN regularly reports in its annual fatality issue, they never list what led to the drowning. If someone asphyxiates, they will first pass out. Then they will drown.

One instructor in this thread says they went to 100' without air hooked to their drysuit.

 

[Darnold9999]

I am guessing that those who have been deep without a dry suit whip also knew to not vent from the dump valve when descending. A new diver would not know that and likely was vertical and venting - making it all worse - if that is even possible.

 

[BlueTrin]

This thread gets longer faster than I have time to catch up with it

 

[Marie13]

I am guessing that those who have been deep without a dry suit whip also knew to not vent from the dump valve when descending. A new diver would not know that and likely was vertical and venting - making it all worse - if that is even possible.

Remember Linnea was a new diver who knew nothing about drysuits, aside from what the instructor told her, which was probably almost nothing.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

I am guessing that those who have been deep without a dry suit whip also knew to not vent from the dump valve when descending. A new diver would not know that and likely was vertical and venting - making it all worse - if that is even possible.

Good point. Given the weight distribution, I would guess she was extremely leg heavy. So basically vertical. Unless she had her exhaust valve closed, then any air she had at the surface woukd be squeezed out, making it a more shrink wrapped and constricting situation than what I have experienced.