Suit filed in case of "Girl dead, boy injured at Glacier National Park

[Miyaru]

I've been following this thread sofar, it's the worst script for a horror movie I've ever seen.

Descending in a trilaminate drysuit without inflation becomes restricting after 15ft. The folds in the fabric will act like steel rods that will restrict movement. Beyond 30ft, reaching the inflator is very difficult, finning will become restricted equally.

Neoprene drysuits will stretch a bit more and don't fold like trilam, but will eventually be restrictive as well.
What kind of drysuit was used by her? I haven't seen that in the filings.

Deeper than 100ft without inflation is beyond my experience, but I can imagine that movement of breathing becomes restricted to a point where, combined with depth, CO2 retention plays a role because of the shallow breathing. Highly narcotic and combined with the gas density at 130ft, loss of consciousness might be the primary factor, followed by drowning as the secondary factor for her death.
But this was probably not considered in the autopsy report.

 

[buddhasummer]

It changes nothing but out of curiosity I'm going to see on Saturday at what point squeeze becomes unbearable, my local bottoms out at 30m. My suit is crushed neoprene.

I do recall once in my trilam suit forgetting to hook up hose, IIRC it became pretty painful pretty quickly. It was certainly less than 10m.

 

[buddhasummer]

Damn, so sad.

 

[grf88]

It changes nothing but out of curiosity I'm going to see on Saturday at what point squeeze becomes unbearable, my local bottoms out at 30m. My suit is crushed neoprene.

I do recall once in my trilam suit forgetting to hook up hose, IIRC it became pretty painful pretty quickly. It was certainly less than 10m.

Please have a safety diver with you if you plan to do this. Out of experience I can tell you that it is difficult to do anything to help yourself when the suit is squeezed that tight.

 

[buddhasummer]

Please have a safety diver with you if you plan to do this. Out of experience I can tell you that it is difficult to do anything to help yourself when the suit is squeezed that tight.

Thanks, absolutely.

 

[CuzzA]

Her chest wouldn't be compressed due to the rib cage, but her belly would and she would have had little use of her diaphragm. Have a kid sit under your rib cage and you know what I'm talking about.

 

[Joris Vd]

It changes nothing but out of curiosity I'm going to see on Saturday at what point squeeze becomes unbearable, my local bottoms out at 30m. My suit is crushed neoprene.

I do recall once in my trilam suit forgetting to hook up hose, IIRC it became pretty painful pretty quickly. It was certainly less than 10m.

I once had it where water entry meant diving through a kelp forest the first 5 minutes and then you descend straight down a plummet to 130 feet. The kelp pulled my inflator off somehow and before I knew it I was getting squeezed to shits. At 15 meters my 'family jewels' hurt so much it felt like being kicked in the groin. I dive a santi trilam suit. Luckily I managed to get my hose attached around that depth and recomp

But I can definitely imagine a diver completely panicking and feeling asphyxiated when she's getting constricted by her suit. The difference with me was that atleast I was able to put some air in the suit when I was at 2 meters.

It's just so sad idd, this is the type of accident you would only expect from some shoddy dive center in an exotic destination DM 'puppy mill'.

 

[Vicko]

There was a fairly famous death of a UK diver in the early 2000 where he died of a suit squeeze at something like 40 meters, cause of death was not drowning and he was found with a reg in mouth. You're basically vacuum sealed making it next to imposable to move.

 

[Bierstadt]

Reading the lawsuit made me so mad. A more horrible and completely unnecessary death is hard to imagine. I think a charge of murder on the part of the instructor would not be unreasonable if the events were as described, and I am normally very anti-lawsuit.

 

[shoredivr]

The non-standard inflator was of interest to me; I see lots of drysuits up here in the Great Lakes, and didn't know what a non-standard inflator meant. If this is right, the male inflator nipple on the left is the standard, and the one on the right is CEJT. The one in the middle is a variant of the standard.

I went on the Brooks drysuit website, and it seems they offer Poseidon inflator valves, which use CEJT male inflator nipples. They also offer SI tech inflator valves, and note that the standard male inflator nipple can be switched out to CEJT style.

Valves and Hoses – Brooks Dive Gear


And finally here’s a discussion about standard vs CEJT male inflator nipples and some pros and cons of each:

https://www.scubaboard.com/community/threads/cejn-inflators.247952/#post-3761146

So now I have something else to check on a buddy’s gear check: standard or CEJT inflator.

Manufacturers should just stick to one style of inflator nipple IMO.