suggestion

[rjack321]

Move the DIR subforums under this T2T section.

Those were created for the same purposes that this section was. I think its fine if people want a broad answer or survey (any technical diver) or a "DIR answer" to something they are smart enough to figure the differences out.

Then clean up the stickies in the main tech forum to focus them on questions like "why dive 1/3rds in doubles" which is appropriate there.

 

[JeffG]

But DIR is more than tech. Its holistic. Its a lifestyle choice.

 

[rjack321]

But DIR is more than tech. Its holistic. Its a lifestyle choice.

Oh very true, but how am I supposed to convert the unwashed masses to black denim if its hidden over there as Lamont's little fifedom?

 

[Cave Diver]

Move the DIR subforums under this T2T section.

Those were created for the same purposes that this section was. I think its fine if people want a broad answer or survey (any technical diver) or a "DIR answer" to something they are smart enough to figure the differences out.

Then clean up the stickies in the main tech forum to focus them on questions like "why dive 1/3rds in doubles" which is appropriate there.

I suggested incorporating the Practioners Zone into this forum prior to it's creation. Actually what I proposed was an "Intro Tech" and an "Advanced Tech" forums. This is the compromise that resulted from that. The consensus on DIR was that while all the DIR crowd can be considered Tech, not all Tech can be considered DIR.

I'd still like to see that happen but it falls somewhat outside the "scope" of this project. If it's successful and we get a good response and support back here that's something I'd certainly revisit.

This forum is still very much a work in progress, so the goal here is to implement all of the usable suggestions we can. Some might be immediate, some might take a bit longer, or not happen, if it impacts the rest of the board.

 

[AndyNZ]

The DIR forums will always be, to some extent, contentious.

Is GUE Fundamentals a "tech" qualification?

With a DIR sub-forum in T2T, the DIR practitioners sub-forum may die a slow death - or it may not. No reason to not run both for a while and see how it goes.

 

[DA Aquamaster]

I partialy agree. Keep the DIR practioners forum where it is at, but it does not need a subforum here. They are either tech like everyone else or they are not, no need for special handling, and they will still have the option of posting their opinions just like everyonre else with no need to limit it to straight GUE or UTD dogma.

The DIR forum was placed there in large part because it is contentious and after some members whined about non believers horning in on "their" forum and/or picking on them for their beliefs. Those problems will follow whenever you try to mix it with other tech discussion forums.

And if it gets placed here, we will get into more of the arguments whether or not it is a tech discussion, a DIR discussion or a DIR practioners discussion and that crap got old in a hurry.

In the bigger picture, other tech boards that do not set aside separate DIR forums and sub forums seem to have far fewer problems with that approach and everyone participates as equals rather than as DIR and non-DIR.

Besides, Lamont wanted that particular baby, he ought to have to be the one that has to raise it.

 

[rjack321]

I partialy agree. Keep the DIR practioners forum where it is at, but it does not need a subforum here. They are either tech like everyone else or they are not, no need for special handling, and they will still have the option of posting their opinions just like everyonre else with no need to limit it to straight GUE or UTD dogma.

The DIR forum was placed there in large part because it is contentious and after some members whined about non believers horning in on "their" forum and/or picking on them for their beliefs. Those problems will follow whenever you try to mix it with other tech discussion forums.

And if it gets placed here, we will get into more of the arguments whether or not it is a tech discussion, a DIR discussion or a DIR practioners discussion and that crap got old in a hurry.

In the bigger picture, other tech boards that do not set aside separate DIR forums and sub forums seem to have far fewer problems with that approach and everyone participates as equals rather than as DIR and non-DIR.

Besides, Lamont wanted that particular baby, he ought to have to be the one that has to raise it.

No chief, that sub-forum was 90% necessary because of you. You couldn't stay out of the open DIR forum despite a sticky outlining the rules. You got in there too many times as a moderator and kept mucking with people's attempts to provide a DIR answer for whatever its worth. There are places you can discuss your own position and techniques on things, just not the DIR forum. Its not my fault there are more people interested in the "DIR" answers than in your personal approach and thus that forum (for a time) was getting alot of traffic.

I would have preferred the "beginning tech" (intro to tech, GUE-F, cavern whatever) level forum and "advanced" (intro cave and up, deco & up) like you envisioned Cave Diver. Maybe you can migrate towards that in time.

 

[TSandM]

The consensus on DIR was that while all the DIR crowd can be considered Tech,

May I, since we are in here, say this is hogwash? I know a good many divers who have done some DIR training in a single tank, dive a single tank, have no ambitions toward anything else, and are not remotely "tech".

The DIR forum, with its protections/restrictions, exists primarily for single tank divers who have questions about the system -- how it's done, how to get trained, what equipment is required and how to set it up.

I DO think that DIR technical divers do not need to be segregated from other technical divers in this forum, as I understand the purpose of this one. They don't need any protection here, and I think it would actually be beneficial to have discussions of the DIR approach to something exposed to the questions and rationales of people who are trained in other ways.

 

[lamont]

Besides, Lamont wanted that particular baby, he ought to have to be the one that has to raise it.

I never suggested that forum, or named the forum, or designed the split between the two DIR forums. And I inherited it due to the other two mods quitting...

 

[Cave Diver]

They are either tech like everyone else or they are not, no need for special handling, and they will still have the option of posting their opinions just like everyonre else with no need to limit it to straight GUE or UTD dogma.

May I, since we are in here, say this is hogwash? I know a good many divers who have done some DIR training in a single tank, dive a single tank, have no ambitions toward anything else, and are not remotely "tech".

After looking through the members list for the practioners zone last night I have to retract my earlier statement and agree with these sentiments. I was forgetting about the learning curve in there and quite a few members are single tank rec divers. If we moved the PZ here, those members would lose a home because they dont meet the qualifications for inclusion here.