Sufficient OW training?

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This story is a little long but i feel it's necessary to include all the info. for clarity. Several yrs. ago my wife & I took a 1 hr. resort class at Sandals. She had a problem clearing her ears and didn't dive while I did several. After returning home, we went to Sport Chalet & talked to an instructor about her problem. We wanted to become certified but didn't want to waste time & money if she couldn't clear her ears. He signed us up for a discover scuba class and it went very well. Unfortunately, our schedule didn't allow us to take an OW class with him. My co-worker had just received his OW from another dive shop & recommended them. We signed up with this new shop and started the class. The instructors were teaching through SDI. Our class time totaled approx. 10 hrs & our pool time was 2 hrs. In the single pool session, we did the surface swim, mask clear & removal, reg. removal, BC removal & weight removal.

From that point we went to Catalina Island & did 4 OW dives, 3 from a boat & 1 from shore. We did the tired diver tow, mask clear & removal & reg. removal. The remainder of the dives were basically follow the leader. Once the class was done, we did several easy & shallow beach dives in the following weeks. We then took a charter boat to Catalina with some friends. The first dive went well, it was shallow & we just spent the time getting comfortable. When we moved to the second site, the divemaster informed us we were in 50 ft. of water. We descended and when we hit bottom, we were at 80 ft. We looked at each other & signaled to go up. With no air in our BC's and 7 mil wetsuits on, we had to kick like crazy to ascend. Of course once we were near the surface, we popped to the surface like a bobber. We got back to the boat OK, but were a little shaken. When our friends returned they knew something was wrong. I told them the problem & told my wife we're not going back in the water untill we figure this problem out.

During the ride home, we talked to our friends about our training. They asked us about weight checks, fin pivots, buddy breathing, etc. We didn't even know what some of those skills were. They were shocked at our OW training. I was able to track down the instructor from Sport Chalet & told him what happened. He immediately signed us up for a Peak Performance Buoyancy class. He didn't have the minimum # of students but did the class anyway since we needed it. During the class we went from 32 lbs. of weight down to 24 for us both, an 8 lb. difference. What a difference it made! Our diving has gone very well since that class 3 yrs. ago, I have done 5 more classes with him & another instructor from the same store. Does anyone know if our original instructor did the course correctly per SDI standards?

I have learned many things since this incident but 2 that stand out are: 1. Proper weighting is critical to safe diving.
2. A good, caring instructor is invaluable.

We are by no means great divers, but we practice our basic skills, discuss the accident forum here on SB & dive safely & within our skill level. I wish I had known about SB back then, things would have been different but hindsight is 20/20. I would like to hear anyone's thoughts on this situation. Thanks.
 
SDI is a member of the World Recreational Scuba Training Council. The WRSTC has the minimum requirements for Open Water Scuba Diver. SDI may exceed these requirements but they must at least meet them.

You did:

  • Surface swim
  • Mask recovery
  • Mask clearing
  • Regulator recovery
  • BCD removal
  • Weight removal

There are additional requirements for the surface swim. If you were wearing your wetsuit, you also needed to wear enough weight to make yourself neutrally buoyant.

The minimum pool skills are:
  1. Diving system assembly and disassembly
  2. Equipment inspection (at water's edge)
  3. Entries and exits
  4. Proper weighting
  5. Mouthpiece clearing - snorkel and regulator
  6. Regulator/snorkel exchanges at the surface
  7. Controlled descents and ascents
  8. Underwater swimming
  9. Mask-clearing, including removal and replacement
  10. Underwater exercises - with and without mask
  11. Buddy-system techniques
  12. Underwater and surface buoyancy control
  13. Underwater problem-solving (regulator recovery/retrieval, etc)
  14. Surface-snorkel swimming with full diving system
  15. Surface operation of the quick release/emergency function of the weight system
  16. Underwater removal and replacement of scuba system
  17. Underwater removal and replacement of the weight/ballast system
  18. Out-of-air emergency alternatives, including at least one dependent procedure and one independent procedure
  19. Equipment care and maintenance (at water's edge)

There is nothing saying you cannot do this in one session in the pool. If you did all these in the pool, you met the minimum requirements for WRSTC but still might not have met the requirements of SDI. You'll have to ask SDI or another SDI instructor to find out that.

Did you do all 4 open water dives in one day? That would be a violation of the standard. The minimum requirements only allow for a maximum of 3 dives per day.

The instructor has to conduct the above skills in a pool and be satisfied you perform them well before taking you to open water. The PDF link above also lists the requirements for the 4 open water dives as well. If the instructor violated any of these standards he definitely violated the SDI standards.
 
The comment that "with no air in our BC's and 7 mil wetsuits, we had to kick like crazy to ascend," tells me that whatever training you had, it was too rushed or too superficial to give you the basic concept of diving, which is neutral buoyancy.
 
I think the empty your bc and kick to ascend, is now defunct
until it de defuncts itself, if or when proper weighting returns

wearing a 1/4 inch suit and carrying lead for a specific depth
 
The fact you are asking the question, sort of answers your question. From your description, it doesn't sound like any standards were broken in your training, but it doesn't sound like it very in depth either. If you are uncomfortable in your skills, you may look for another instructor who will go through with you some more, until you are comfortable & confident that you can plan & execute your own dive with a diver of equal or greater experience.
 
Even within a given agency, every instructor/class is unique. Each student's learning experience, a snowflake.
With the proper attitude and the right tools, a diver can achieve competence in his own time.
Considering the brevity of basic OW courses nowadays, that competence will likely occur after certification.
 
No, it does not correspond to SDI standards. The minimum number of training hours is 20. And it is virtually impossible to demonstrate all the skills in 2 hours, much less teach and allow for practice and mastery. Sorry buddy, but you got a bad deal.
 
From what you said, it sounds like the OW instructor didn't meet the SDI standards. Two hours of pool time is no where close to get you comfortable in the water and master all of the OW skills, IMHO. Pool time should have been more closer to 10 hours or more depending on your performance.
 
I did my OWD certification with SSI.
We had 24 hours of class time and 24 hours of pool time. Besides the school offered the pool to practice during the week, so the amount of pool sessions were even higher than those 24.
 
I'm a PADI instructor not ssi but from your description, you certainly have a case for registering a compaint with SSI for instructor performance and furthermore should. If this is the norm for this instructor, someone will eventually get hurt. I'm also sure that there are PADI instructors in this same boat so I am not bashing SSI, NAUI or anyone else. It is an equal opportunity problem that should be reported and fixed by any and all certifying agencies.
 

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