sijtse:Don't see the fire - I think pasley had (and has) a valid point and was just trying to be helpful.
For my .02, it seems like JPBeck has more "extreme" diving on his mind, so he should limit his scope for his potential group and there would be little or no overlay with "other" groups for us recreational types.
He modified the post after I wrote that so you could see it. But, what ever-- Dont really care--- We did a beach dive last night that was in Twenty feet of water so if that is "extreme" then I guess we are just plum crazy!