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Norwegian Says Mayans Support Harvest Caye, Greg Ch’oc Says Not So Fast
posted (October 11, 2013)
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In other Cruise port news, Norwegian Cruise Line says that it has gotten the support of twelve Mayan Villages in the south for the Port to call that they are proposing to build on Harvest Caye.As we showed you, the project has had its number of opponents who do not believe that mass cruise tourism should be opened up in the south, but according to NCL, 12 Mayan Villages have given public support for the project.
A release from the company says that Mayan Leaders of these 12 villages were in attendance at a meeting on September 15, and they announced their support, urging other villagers who attended to support the project as well. These leaders reportedly explained to the villagers that the NCL development on Harvest Caye will give outlying villages the opportunity to provide fruits, vegetables, arts and craft to tourists without having to leave their homes for markets farther away than the island.
The representatives of NCL explained that the Harvest Caye development is sure to provide some residents of the village with employment opportunities.
And while, that's what NCL says, Greg Ch'oc, the spokesperson appointed by the Mayan Villages, is not impressed at all. He contacted us yesterday saying that NCL should have identified the names of the communities who participated in this meeting which supposedly took place.
He added that it was unfair to make such a broad statement that the Mayan Communities supports the project. According to Ch'oc, NCL would be better served to meet with each individual community, and that the Alcaldes could have given support on behalf of their communities without consultation
 
Wow flots am. That's one of the troll-iest things I've ever read on this board. Just because they don't want cruise ship passengers flooding their area, that means they are OK with all the current ills that affect their society? Ridiculous. You win the award for non-sequitur of the year.

You even throw out "multi-billion corporation" as if that's a good thing. In my experience (granted only 38 years on this planet so far) the larger and more profitable a corporation, the more soul-less it is in its actions, in general. Do you work for Norwegian?

Please enlighten us as to how a bunch of "ugly Americans" stopping off for a day or two every week and dropping their dollars on trinkets made in China are going to improve the literacy, crime, and poverty levels of Belize.

We're all ears.

The tourists bring money and they're willing to spend it.

If you can't figure out anything to offer that keeps the money local, that's really your problem, not mine.

When I see a cruise ship unload, I see 500 or more people who each would be happy to part with at least $200 each to do fun stuff. They're really not looking for Chinese crap to buy. They're looking for memories and unique souvenirs.

That's a minimum of $100,000 that could go right into the local economy for para-sailing fishing, scuba diving, rafting, catamaran rides and whatever else you can think of. That's $200K/week if only two ships dock and you only get a small portion of the passengers.

All that money could all stay local, which would go a really long way towards improving literacy.

Unfortunately, you guys seem to have the same problem my always-broke friends do: When an opportunity arises, you all circle the wagons and try to make it go away.

As I said before, if you work hard enough, you'll get your wish and the poverty can continue. Of course, the other thing you could do is arrange for eco-friendly fun activities, take their money, smile and say "thanks!", but I can see that will never happen.

Have at it! Enjoy the status-quo.

Do you work for Norwegian?

No, I own a small business.

If I discovered that a multi-billion dollar company wanted to drop off a literal boat-load of customers on my door-step every week, I'd be jumping up and down thinking I hit the lottery, not whining about it.

flots.
 
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Please enlighten us as to how a bunch of "ugly Americans" stopping off for a day or two every week and dropping their dollars on trinkets made in China are going to improve the literacy, crime, and poverty levels of Belize.

We're all ears.

That would be up to the country of Belize to use the large revenues they generate through head tax, port taxes, sales taxes etc... if they use it to fund schools for instance that would be an example of how it directly effects literacy, crime and poverty levels in Belize.

You live in Colorado - has does the Colorado Lottery effect keeping Colorado looking wild and free? If you know the answer to that question, you didn't need to ask the question about tourism in Belize.

It all depends on what the government, be it Colorado or Belize decides to do with the revenues generated.
 
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CRUISE BUSINESS DOES TO LOCAL BUSINESS!!!!!!!!

[h=2]Audrey Matura and client serves injunction against Fort Street Tourism Village[/h]The Fort Street Tourism Village was created to give Belizean businesses an opportunity to profit from tourism. But for some time now, there has been a change in ownership and that implies that there are new contracts and rules for the tenants who have their businesses inside the duty free zone. Well since that change, it is being reported that several businesses have been forced to close; and foreign investors have taken over the village. Tensions have been brewing since early September and today it boiled over when one businesswoman decided that she was going to resist eviction. Owner of The Loom, a fabric store inside the Fort Street Tourism Village, is Suzanne Kilic. She says that she has invested over ten years into her business and will not be pushed aside. And so with the assistance of her Attorney, Audrey Matura-Shepherd, Kilic got an injunction against FSTV to cease and desist…at least for twenty-eight days until the matter is dealt with in court. But this afternoon when Matura-Shepherd was ordered by the courts to serve FSTV with the injunction both she and her client were refused entrance to the premises. In fact, it wasn’t until she returned with the court bailiff and police officers that she was allowed to serve the injunction. News Five caught up with Kilic and Matura-Shepherd as they exited to find out more.

Audrey Matura-Shepherd, Attorney
AUDREY MATURA-SHEPHERD
“We moved the court to get an injunction to prevent Fort Street Tourism Village from harassing my client and doing other things that the injunction addressed. Strange enough, the court asked that we serve it forthwith. So I came to ensure that we obeyed the order of the court and I was amazed that they would not allow me any entrance or access. Anyways unfortunately, we had to get the bailiff of the court and the police to come and assist and then there was no problem. But one of the things is too as the attorney for my client, it was important for me to come and see what is actually happening in the tourist village that has created this problem. And I realize the obstruction that they are trying to do to frustrate her to get out. They tried to illegal evict her and began harassing her; then they began obstructing her access to her building. Then contrary to the customs regulations and law, they threatened to take possession of her warehouse, which they cannot, and then they also decided today to obstruct her path so that she can’t access her warehouse to get her stuff.”

Suzanne Kilic, Owner, The Loom
“It’s all textiles for the home: bedcovers, table runners, pillows. I use authentic Belizean designs on the pillows even though I do import it. I take the designs from the natives like the Garifuna culture and the tourists absolutely love it. I get the same people coming back every year to buy from me.”

SUZANNE KILIC
Reporter
“And of course it came as a slap in your face when…”

Suzanne Kilic
“I was shocked. After ten years I was completely shocked. Ten years is a long time.”

Reporter
“You are going to keep on pushing this until you get…”

Suzanne Kilic
“Yes, I have to. I feel it is justice.”

Reporter
“I know you must be losing business with this. Tell us about the extent of the loss that you are experiencing.”

Suzanne Kilic
“Well I’m in a terminal that has seven other tenants and they were smaller local Belizean non-duty free shops and they were all told they had to evacuate in thirty days. None of them felt that they had enough legal rights or didn’t understand what their rights were so they evacuated because I think they felt that pressure. So now I am in a terminal and I’m one of the only businesses operating, everybody else has left. So of course there is no foot traffic, no business coming in. And then all of those other local businesses are in a location where nobody can find them. So their regular customers are looking for them so we are all losing money, we are all losing business.”

Audrey Matura-Shepherd
“A lot of Belizeans when we were told that the tourism village will bring tourism and jobs for Belizeans, really the entity now apparently I’m told, is fully owned by Diamonds International and they are trying to get rid of all the locals from the main areas so that they take over only for their jewelry. So as a Belizean, I find that very disturbing that this is supposed to be the tourism they say they will bring for us and this is what is happening to our people. And a lot of them keep quiet because of the pressure that if you want to stay in some other little corner then you just go along.”
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This from the Maya people covers two topics - oil and cruise

PRESS RELEASE – FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Ms. Cristina Coc – 620-5791/637-5611

U.S CAPITAL ENERGY AND NORWEGIAN CRUISE LINE ATTEMPT TO MISLEAD MAYA PEOPLE AND THE PUBLIC
Thursday, October 31, 2013
On the heels of the 25 July 2013 Court of Appeal ruling which affirms that we the Maya people of Toledo District are indeed owners of the lands that we farm, hunt and live on, it has come to our attention that U.S. Capital Energy Belize Limited and Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) have been engaging in public advertisement campaigns calculated to mislead the Maya people and misinform the public at large.
U.S Capital has been airing advertisements on radio stations in Belize, including the Toledo Christian Radio station, in the Maya Q'eqchi language saying, in part:
Woman’s voice: Mr. Alcalde is it true that a company is exploring for oil in our village?
Man’s Voice: Yes, they are exploring for oil to see if it is of commercial value.
Woman’s voice: Mr. Alcalde, is this good for our people?
Man’s voice: This is good for our people because it brings benefits. That is why the Alcalde supports and welcomes them.
The impersonation of a Maya traditional leader in this way gives a false impression that the alcaldes support U.S. Capital’s activities on Maya lands. In fact, the Toledo Alcades’s Association (TAA), which is composed of all the first and second alcaldes in the Toledo District, has consistently maintained its position that U.S Capital, or any other company, should not be engaging in any activities on lands belonging to Maya people without first seeking and obtaining the free, prior, and informed consent of the Maya communities concerned, in accordance with Maya customary decision-making systems – something that obviously did not occur in U.S. Capital’s radio message. The TAA’s position has been echoed by the alcaldes individually and collectively, firmly demanding that U.S Capital seek their villages’ free prior and informed consent.
Rather than attempting to deceive and manipulate the public, U.S. Capital should direct its resources towards implementing a meaningful consultation process aimed at negotiating the conditions for obtaining the villages’ informed consent to its activities, in writing. Rather than appropriating the voice of Maya traditional leaders to make vague promises of unspecified benefits, U.S. Capital should treat the Maya people with dignity and respect by providing us with adequate and specific information of the benefits and risks of drilling on our lands. Rather than engaging in a misleading PR campaign, U.S. Capital should be asking to speak at village meetings and allow the customary decision-making process to run its course without manipulation, bribery or misrepresentation.
U.S. Capital is required to share the benefits of its activities with the Maya villages who own the land on which the company wishes to operate. The minimum benefits that the company is legally obligated to provide the affected Maya villages include:

  • Respect for Maya peoples’ individual and collective property: not entering without obtaining written permission first;
  • Fair and reasonable compensation for any detrimental effect of the company’s activities on Maya lands, waters and forests;
  • Payment of rent; and
  • Five percent of all royalties due to the government for oil extracted from Maya lands.
In addition to these minimum mandatory legal requirements, the affected villages have the right to negotiate additional reasonable conditions in return for consenting to the company entering their land. So far, the company has not engaged with the communities in good faith, nor provided the minimum benefits as required by the law.
U.S. Capital is not the only company publicly falsifying Maya support for their activities. Norwegian Cruise Line recently issued news releases with the following captions:
“Mayan Leaders Say Yes to Norwegian Cruise Line for Harvest Caye Development” (Love fm Belize, October 10, 2013)
“Norwegian Says Mayans Support Harvest Caye, Greg Ch’oc Says Not So Fast” (7 Newsbelize of October 11 2013)
In these news releases, NCL state that Maya leaders have declared their support for the company’s development project on Harvest Caye. The release asserts that twelve Mayan villages were represented at a meeting held with the company on 15 of September 2013, where Maya leaders publicly expressed their support for the NCL project. At an assembly meeting of the TAA held on October 25th, the association became aware that few members of some Maya villages attended NLC’s meeting, but the assembly points out that these attendees were not speaking on behalf of the TAA. They attended the meeting in their individual capacity to observe the proceedings, and were not, in any way, representing the collective resolve of Maya people on the NCL project. On the contrary, the General Assembly of Alcaldes raised major concerns about the proposed NLC project, including the appropriation of Maya cultural practices by NLC for marketing its services, and expects the NCL to engage in formal discussion with the association in order to address these concerns.
The Toledo Alcaldes Association and the Maya Leaders Alliance (MLA) therefore advises all Maya communities and the general public to be wary of the disrespectful and misleading information being peddled under the guise of public relations campaigns by these two companies, and to always seek clarification on any matter concerning the affairs of Maya people from the TAA, the individual village alcaldes and the MLA.


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[h=1]Mayan Community Outraged Saying Norwegian Cruise Line Reps Are Misleading[/h]By Renee Trujillo
Updated: October 31, 2013






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The Maya Leaders Alliance, MLA and the Toledo Alcade Association, TAA, have expressed outrage at U.S. Capital and Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) over what they say is the propagation of misleading information. Today MLA and TAA sent out a joint press release. In the first instance it says U.S Capital has been airing advertisements on radio stations in Belize in which a Maya tradition leader is impersonated. This says, Public Relations Officer for the MLA and TAA, Christina Coc, gives a false impression that the alcaldes support U.S. Capital’s activities on Maya lands.
CRISTINA COC
“We point out that at this assembly the individuals who attended and a few of our Alcaldes, themselves said that they attended in their individual capacity and just to observe the proceedings. They were not in any way representing the collective resolve of the Mayan people whether or not they support Norwegian Cruise Line project. In fact on the contrary in this general assembly of Alcaldes they raised major concerns about the Norwegian Cruise Line
project including the appropriation of Maya cultural practices as a part of their marketing for their project. We expect that if Norwegian cruise Line continues to use this Mayan culture and people’s way of life and the Mayan history as a part of their marketing. We expect them to come engage us in formal discussions, in line, of course with our customary way of decision making. They need to come and sit with us and address these concerns directly with the representatives of the Maya people which are the Alcaldes. Not by hand picking people and individuals to come to a meeting that is not representative of the Mayan people and then claiming that the Maya people gave support.”
And after explaining why both NGOs are not happy with U.S. Capital, Coc shared why they are also unhappy with NCL. Coc says that the press release issued by NCL on October 10 of this year is also misleading. In that release NCL had stated that it has the support of leaders of twelve Mayan Villages but Coc says otherwise.
CRISTINA COC
“We are concerned that companies and particularly these two companies in our press release are engaged in public relations campaign that mislead the Mayan people and mislead the public, particularly at the position with respect to the activities of these two companies on Mayan Land or in Belize in general. The first one is in respect to US Capital Energy who is airing radio advertisements in Belize including on the Christian Radio in our native language, in Kekchi whereby they are impersonating traditional Mayan leaders to give a false impression that the Alcaldes support US Capital activities on Mayan Land. This is very disturbing to us; we feel that it is important for the public and for the Mayan people to recognize and for the company to recognize that the Toledo Alcalde Association has consistently maintained our position with respect to US Capital and any other company for that matter that these companies should not be engaging in any activities on our land rather than engaging in misleading PR campaigns. This company should really be seeking to speak at village meetings and allowing the Mayan people customer discussion making process to run its course without any manipulation, without any bribery and without any misrepresentation of our Mayan people. We are completely outraged that US Capital would try to publicly falsify Maya support for their activities through these radio ads. We are saying that we have heard various radio ads both on public radios in Belize and in radio stations from Guatemala where radio ads seem to mislead in terms of saying that the Alcaldes support and welcome the company’s activities on Mayan Land. We are saying that the Toledo Alcalde Association which is composed of all first and second Alcaldes in the Toledo district have consistently stated our position that we do not, we do not, support; not one alcalde that we are aware of and not one community has given its consent in writing that we are aware of unless US Capital can prove otherwise. We want them to retract the ad and we want the various radio stations to understand that this is misleading and that this is dangerous to the Mayan community.”
Love News got in contact with NCL’s Owners’ Representative in Belize, Doug Ingersoll who told us that the meeting saw over whelming support.
DOUG INGERSOLL
“We had a meeting with Hugh Darley, he gave a presentation and invited all of the Mayan communities in the area; we counted about 12 villages might have been more than that. The alcaldes were all in attendance. My recollection is that we had well over a hundred people there; Hugh gave a presentation on the project about potential employment opportunities and opportunities for people who are not actually within commuting distance such as Harvest Caye. We spent a lot of time explaining how it can help to the outlying villages. “
HIPOLITO NOVELO
“Can you name these villages that participated?”
DOUG INGERSOLL
“I cannot list them out by heart. I can get back to you with that.”
HIPOLITO NOVELO
“Some of the villagers participated? A couple, three, four?”
DOUG INGERSOLL
“I don’t remember; Maya Mopan , Maya Center. I’m going to have to call you back with that I don’t remember. I do have it written down but I don’t remember what it was exactly.”
HIPOLITO NOVELO
“Ok well the Mayan Leader Alliance, I spoke to Mr. Greg Choc, he says he’s been trying to find out which villages participated so far he hasn’t been able to determine that.”
DOUG INGERSOLL
Well, honestly Greg Choc was invited just like everybody else; just because he didn’t go doesn’t mean there wasn’t overwhelming support at the meeting. There was tremendous support. In fact I can’t think of any resistance at all. We had overwhelming support. I would encourage you to talk to Ernesto Saki he is very much in connection with all the people that were there. He is not connected to this in any way but I look at him as a pretty influential guy in the Maya Center area. He saw the amount of people that were there and he could tell you he’d have a better recollection of the names of the villages that were there.”
Ingersolll told us that he would get back to us with the list of the villages that were represented in the meeting.


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Oct 31, 2013[h=2]NCL and oil company falsifying the results of public consultations[/h]
CRISTINA COC
NCL, according to Coc, perpetuated a similar falsehood when it began publishing information that alcaldes from several villages across Toledo were in support of the Harvest Caye development project. A subsequent meeting with TAA membership confirmed that those in attendance of a recent public consultation hosted by Norwegian were present on their own behalf.

Via phone: Cristina Coc, Spokesperson, Maya Leaders Alliance
“They are putting out public statements that falsify Maya support for their activities. In two releases in particular, the Norwegian Cruise Lines made mention that Maya leaders say yes to their development on Harvest Caye. We were very disturbed to hear that we in fact called a meeting with the seventy-eight Maya alcaldes of the Toledo Alcaldes Association on October twenty-fifth after the association became aware that few members of some Maya villages attended a Norwegian Cruise Line meeting. At the assembly it was pointed out that although some of the alcaldes attended and a very small number attended the meeting, they were attending in their individual capacities. They were attending in order to observe the proceedings and they were in no way representing the collective resolve of the Maya people on the activities of Norwegian Cruise Line or their development project on Harvest Caye.”

The Toledo Alcaldes Association and the Maya Leaders Alliance is advising all Maya communities, as well as the general public to be wary of the disrespectful and misleading information being peddled under the guise of public relations campaigns undertaken by both companies.
 
Aug 1, 2013[h=2]B.T.B. and Tourism Ministry fully support Norwegian Cruise Line’s Development[/h]
TRACY TAEGAR PANTON
The Harvest Caye project has come under heavy opposition by environmental groups because it is believed that NCL is getting the better of the deal. There is no word as to how the seven U.S. dollar head tax will be divided, since the draft proposal calls for four U.S. dollars to be given back to NCL. But would Harvest Caye divert the current cruise ship calls from Belize City to the south? B.T.B. and the Ministry of Tourism disagree. They say only NCL ships would disembark at Harvest Caye and there would be jobs for at least a third of the year for the unemployed.

Jose Sanchez
“The numbers for pocket cruise tourism is in the vicinity of two-fifty to about five hundred passengers. Can you say definitively that these numbers will not be exceeded when it comes to different sites and destinations?”

Tracy Taegar Panton, C.E.O., Ministry of Tourism
“We can manage that very easily. And we manage that by the capacity of each site that will be determined by the co-managers for those sites, the B.T.B. and the destination planning committee in the south. And so we don’t want to violate the very thing that people come to Belize for; that is certainly not the intention of our ministry.”

Jose Sanchez
“And that will be balanced with whatever numbers are coming in from their competition, from the other cruise ship that comes to Belize?”

Tracy Taegar Panton
“Let me be clear. What the developer is proposing is a cruise island destination. And so certainly for now only that developer will be allowed to bring ships to that destination. So it wouldn’t be a case where any of the cruise ships that are calling on Belize City port right now could be diverted to that island.”

Laura Esquivel-Frampton, Director of Tourism
LAURA ESQUIVEL-FRAMPTON
“And in fact, we’ve been very clear on that and they have been clear on that. The idea is not to dilute the number of persons coming to Belize City, to this port. The idea is to grow the tourism product; to grow the numbers on a whole.”

Jose Sanchez
“Tell me about the jobs. How many jobs does this developer propose to have for Belizeans?”

Tracy Taegar Panton
“Between eight hundred and a thousand jobs.”

Laura Esquivel-Frampton
“This is direct jobs.”

Jose Sanchez
“And that is for the one hundred and thirty calls per year. What happens to the other two hundred and thirty five days per year for those people?”

Tracy Taegar Panton
“What happens to those people now? And how many of those people are currently employed by the overnight tourism sector? Let’s be clear, overnight tourism is the mainstay of tourism in Belize. Cruise tourism is considered incremental business and it creates incremental opportunities. That is what we are saying. We are not saying by any means that cruise tourism will overrun the south. And we are going to develop cruise tourism in the south in phases. So here is phase one that will allow a hundred and thirty calls primarily in the summer season when there is limited overnight tourism in the south and people will be given an opportunity to work three days a week versus working no days a week.”

Laura Esquivel-Frampton
“And so it is a question of you telling somebody, well you are going to make a hundred dollars a week when right now they are making zero dollars a week.”

Jose Sanchez
“Okay, next question. The head tax; the seven U.S. dollar head tax. The first draft proposal we’ve seen calls for four U.S. to be returned to NCL to give money to oversee any damage that may be done to the environment. Will that remain the same or does that need to be revisited? What’s the actual agreement? It doesn’t say.”

Tracy Taegar Panton
“I don’t think that the new MOU says what that revenue sharing agreement is. There will be a revenue sharing agreement; the head tax is seven dollars…we can confirm that. but in terms of how that seven dollars will be divided is still yet being negotiated between government and the relevant agencies that are involved.”

Jose Sanchez
“For most persons, they would say that that four U.S. dollars return—at least in the proposal, the draft…”

Tracy Taegar Panton
“Can I be clear. The draft document that B.T.I.A. seems to be privy to is not the document that has been negotiated with the developer. So that document is no longer valid. that was a first proposal that was tabled by NCL and over the last two months, government has negotiated with the developer on those terms and conditions. So that is clearly not the document we should be operating from.”

The B.T.I.A. received a copy of the Tourism Ministry’s press release moment ago, and they promise to respond on Friday.

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Mike Heusner10:31am Jan 4
On New Year's Day there were four cruise ships in Belize City harbour. Yet not one single one of the "booths" in the "bastardized" Memorial park were being used. They were all locked up. Memorial Park was "redesigned" for Belize City cruise tourism but is not being used for that. So much for the National Sustainable Tourism Master Plan 2030. The NSTMP 2030 also calls for no large cruise ships for Southern Belize. That aspect of the NSTMP is also being bypassed for the NCL cruise port at Harvest Caye just south of Placencia. Can anyone verify that NCL was rerouted to Harvest Caye instead of Caye Chapel or San Pedro?
 
To Placencia BTIA


Jan 23 at 6:43 PM


Dear Members:

On behalf of the Placencia BTIA board of directors I would like to thank all those who attended last night’s public consultation on the EIA for the Harvest Caye cruise port. It was clear to all present that the citizens of southern Belize have serious concerns about the introduction of mass cruise tourism to our area by Norwegian Cruise Line and are not afraid to speak their minds in defense of our natural heritage and economic sovereignty.

While we are heartened by the public’s support of BTIA’s long held position we realize that the way forward will not be easy. At the very least we believe that the National Environmental Appraisal Committee (NEAC), which meets January 29, will order wholesale revisions in the poorly drafted EIA if not an entirely new document. At the same time NEAC should, according to the Environmental Protection Act, set a date for a formal public hearing (as opposed to a mere consultation) on the merits of the project.

While this is going on we must also focus on the more difficult task of convincing the political directorate that their original decision to endorse the project was both premature and in error. Disclosures last night by NCL executives make clear that the economic benefits promised by NCL are in fact illusory and certainly not worth the costs to the nation. This is even more obvious given the introduction of legislation yesterday in the House of Representatives to facilitate the development of a new cruise port, Stake Bank, in Belize City. To better familiarize members with our position I have attached a document that explains our objections to the EIA and the project itself.

Again thanks to all who supported our position and attended the consultation. Special kudos to those who stepped up to the microphone. For those not used to doing it regularly, it is not easy to stand in front of hundreds of people and try to sound both calm and intelligent. Nervous or not, what made last night special was that our people spoke from their hearts.

Stewart Krohn, Chairman, PBTIA




 
MASS CRUISE TOURISM IN SOUTHERN BELIZE
Why we continue the fight against Norwegian Cruise Line


“It’s a done deal!”
“You can’t win against a big rich company like NCL!”
“You can’t fight the Government!”

We have all heard these words before, both in Belize and around the world. They are the words of people who are counting on average citizens to shut down their brains, shut up their mouths and bow down to their masters. At tonight’s public consultation these same people—Norwegian Cruise Line and their paid agents—will try to impress you with a large crowd and a lot of noise. Why? Because that’s what you have to do when you don’t have the facts on your side. All we ask from the Department of the Environment, the National Environmental Appraisal Committee and those citizens attending this consultation is to look at the facts behind the Harvest Caye cruise port and decide for yourselves whether it will make life better for you, your children and your grandchildren.


It’s all about jobs. At least that’s what they will tell you. The fact is that every time they talk about jobs it’s always a different number. Laura Esquivel Frampton and Tracy Taegar of the Ministry of Tourism claimed 800-1000 direct jobs…but the EIA from NCL says only 250 jobs including both the caye and Malacate on the mainland. With NCL having a
ship in port at most only 150 days per year are these jobs full or part time? Year round or seasonal? Salaries? If the cruise line can give a number the must know exactly what the jobs are. For example, how many bartenders? How many cooks? How many landscapers? Security guards? Secretaries? And what about the 25% of employees that NCL has told Government will be filled by foreigners? Presumably they will get the highest paying jobs so where does that leave Belizeans? Please NCL, show us the jobs, the hours and the pay scales.

But at least there will be plenty of jobs for tour guides, right? Well, not necessarily. With all those “fabulous” attractions on the island that make NCL money will people really be encouraged to go on tours? There are two genuinely fabulous zip lines in southern Belize but the EIA says that NCL will have its own zip line on the island. Why? Will the snorkelers diving the reef in front of the caye be guided or on their own? And who will run the tours? In similar situations in the Caribbean the tours are contracted out to a few large operators, often owned by outsiders. Where does that leave the large number of independent local tour operators and guides? Will those independents be given access to sell tours to cruise visitors on the caye or at Malacate? For that matter will anyone be given access to Harvest Caye? If friends or relatives from the States come on a cruise can you pick them up with your boat on the island and take them out to lunch in Placencia?

And speaking of jobs, could the cruise port endanger 1200 jobs at nearby shrimp farms? If you look at the satellite photos you’ll see that directly to leeward of Harvest Caye are a number of shrimp farms with many others nearby. These mainstays of the economy depend on the highest standards of purity for a world market increasingly concerned with food quality. What will be the effect of sewage disposal on the island on the shrimp farms’ intake of clean water? Massive pesticide use on the island that is famous for sand flies? Contamination of virus free farms by waste from diseased Asian shrimp served onboard the ships? NCL will no doubt say that it will employ the highest sewage standards, use the most “green” pest control and even that they will buy only Belizean shrimp. Let’s see it in writing…and ensure that their promises are closely monitored.

OK, so the jobs aren’t great but the Government will certainly earn a lot of money from taxes, no? Actually, no. Although there is a paltry US$7 tax paid by each passenger, under the memorandum of understanding signed by Government and NCL, the cruise line will be given a kickback by the Government of US$4! This, it has been explained, is to help NCL “recover its investment”. Based on its own figures this means that NCL will recover its full capital investment from Belizean taxpayers well before its exclusive 25 year concession has expired. That’s right, we the citizens of Belize will pay back NCL every penny of their US$50 million investment! No hotel in Belize has ever received a penny’s worth of refund of the hotel tax. In fact no project anywhere in Belize has ever received this kind of special treatment . It’s kind of like the slave being asked to repay the slave master for his room and board. It’s also worth noting that NCL did not pay a penny in transfer tax on the purchase of the island or the company that owns it, thus depriving the treasury of perhaps a million dollars before the company hired even a single employee.

Taxpayers spent a fortune on consultants, studies and a Master Plan for tourism. What do those reports say?
The National Sustainable Master Tourism Plan, the Seatone Report – and all other expert advice, says, “Don’t Do This!” That Master Plan, commissioned by the Ministry of Tourism and endorsed by Cabinet as the guiding document for tourism growth and development in Belize through 2030, clearly and directly states on page 132 that:

“Pocket Cruise tourism is the only acceptable form of cruise tourism in South Eastern Coast Belize.”

That’s it, that’s what the Plan says – no, ifs, ands, or buts. No mass cruise ship tourism in southern Belize.

Further, the Seatone Report, commissioned and endorsed by the Belize Tourism Board, also clearly states that southern Belize does not want and is not ready for, mass cruise ship tourism, either economically, socially or culturally.

By the Terms of Reference for this EIA, the EIA preparer was obligated to conduct studies to determine the potential impacts of mass cruise tourism in southern Belize, and to consult with stakeholders, NGOs, public interest groups and others on the issues associated with cruise ship tourism.

Both The Master Tourism Plan and the Seatone Report were written after hundreds of interviews, meetings and consultations with local governments, business owners, village leaders, tour guides, tour operators, hotel owners, hotel employees and other stakeholders throughout southern Belize. Their rigorous examinations of the pros and cons of different forms of tourism in the area, including cruise ship tourism, are certainly in far greater compliance with the requirements of the Harvest Caye EIA than the EIA itself, which provides no information on the methodology used in selecting who were interviewed, what information was provided to them about the proposed project, and what questions were asked of them.

The laws and regulations of Belize, and the specific terms of reference for the NCL EIA, require socio-economic and cultural impacts of proposed developments to be extensively researched and analyzed – and for impacts to be factored into the decision on whether a proposed development is sound for Belize. The Master Plan and the Seatone Report have exhaustively studied and analyzed those questions – and both have returned a resounding NO!to mass cruise ship tourism in southern Belize.

So whose idea was this project in the first place? A mass cruise port for southern Belize was not in the electoral manifesto of any political party and for the first five years of the present government you never heard a peep about it. The Minister of Tourism never said a word and neither did the Minister of Investment or any other cabinet minister. No citizens group ever asked for a cruise port in the south, no NGO, not the Chamber of Commerce or the labor unions. One would think that if a cruise port in the South was such a good idea and there were so many studies and consultants running around the country surely someone would have proposed the idea before now. But they didn’t. Why not?

Safe, clean drinking water is a basic human right. The NCL cruise port at Harvest Caye could jeopardize the basic human right to clean drinking water for the fast growing areas of Independence, Placencia, Seine Bight and the entire Placencia Peninsula, who now enjoy the blessing of some the purest water in the world. But will it stay that way if NCL is sucking hundreds of thousands of gallons per day from the same precious aquifer? The Harvest Caye EIA contradicts itself about where fresh water for cruise ship passengers will come from. Will it be piped to the caye directly from our aquifer on the mainland? Converted from seawater? Taken from a well? The EIA doesn’t say. Not only does the EIA contradict itself, but all three methods could deplete our fresh water aquifer or contaminate it with saltwater by puncturing it through deep dredging for NCL’s channel, driving huge pilings for NCL’s pier, or by injecting the waste products from desalination directly into the aquifer. Why? Because the EIA completely ignores the issues of where our freshwater aquifer is located in relation to Harvest Caye, how much water our aquifer holds, and how much water we can take from it before we start experiencing drought – or turning on our taps and saltwater coming out. The EIA also fails to guarantee that our limited water supply will not be used to fill the cavernous tanks of the ships docked at the caye. Remember that each ship is actually a floating city of 5000 people—people who take 30 minute showers and flush toilets ten times each day-- and they come largely in the dry season when our water is most scarce. So what is more important: water for cruise passengers or water for Belizeans?


Massive dredging and resulting siltation will destroy manatee, dolphin, fish and other marine animal habitats, as well as corals, seagrass beds and mangroves.Based on the EIA, almost 2 million cubic meters (2.7 million cubic yards) will be dredged from the sea bed to create the marina, lagoon, channel, and a turning bay for the development on Harvest Caye. That’s an awful lot of digging for a “nature park”. In contrast, the channel expansion for the Big Creek port only dredged 1.4 million cubic meters, and, the NCL EIA doesn’t even discuss, much less evaluate and quantify, the amount and type of dredging that will be needed for underground pipelines for electricity and possibly water. Further, according to NCL’s own geotechnical report, the channel to be dredged (974,962 cubic meters) is mostly soft soils that will collapse back in on themselves, requiring continuous maintenance dredging – a matter which is also not mentioned in the EIA. In addition, the EIA admits that massive amounts of silt will be generated by dredging operations. It is well documented that siltation destroys the habitats of a wide range of marine life, thus affecting fishing grounds as well as tourist attractions. Given the massive amounts of dredging and spoils disposal that will occur if the project is approved, and the resulting effects on the manatee, dolphins, fish, coral and other sea life – and humans - that use the Harvest Caye mangrove and littoral forest habitat, the EIA could have been expected to include an in-depth analysis of these issues. It does not.

In fact, many, if not most, of these issues are simply ignored. For instance, the NCL EIA proposes to dump much of the dredged soils back into the Caribbean, but does not include ANY type of assessment of the area where the spoils are to be dumped, instead, stating that this assessment will be done AFTER the dumping is approved by the Department of the Environment! Currents in the area are generally to the south, but the EIA does not include any details on what is to the south of the Caye that may be imperiled by siltation – sea grass beds, corals, fish nurseries? We don’t know because the EIA simply ignores many issues related to this massive dredging – as it ignored the effect of siltation plumes that will be caused by the ship itself every time it travels to the Caye and every time it turns in its turning bay. Surely the people of Belize deserve to be accurately informed about exactly how much of our natural heritage we are being asked to sacrifice in exchange for a small number of low paying part-time seasonal jobs.

Even if I agree that mass cruise tourism is bad for southern Belize what is the alternative? How do we develop the economy of the South? Old timers from Toledo and Stann Creek can tell you that over the last 40 years dozens of grand government and internationally funded “development” projects have been initiated to help the “poor people of the South”…and just as many have failed. Usually the only folks who benefitted were the well paid outside consultants and the Belize City car agencies who sell them those fancy new SUVs.

But steadily and quietly—below the radar of city-based media—life has been improving in the south. Aquaculture is once again on the rise, cacao and chocolate making is becoming an increasingly valuable industry, but it is tourism that is showing the most promise. Not the low value/high impact type of tourism represented by NCL but the high value/low impact type of tourism inherent in overnight eco-cultural tourism. Every day hundreds of workers commute to the Placencia Peninsula to work in the overnight tourism industry. They come by boat across the lagoon from Independence and by bus from as far away as Bella Vista and every village in between. Santa Cruz on the Southern highway may be the fastest growing village in the country.

And what do they do? Everything from construction to guiding to accounting. It is worth noting that a single 25 room luxury hotel—Turtle Inn—employs 125 Belizeans. That is at least half the number of workers that NCL plans to hire…and that’s just one small hotel! And the jobs are not part-time low paying seasonal ones; they are full time high paying jobs with room for advancement and additional income from tips and service charge. They are secure jobs that enable Belizeans to raise families in dignity, educate our children and plan for the future. In short, they are jobs that build a nation. Can the same be said for the part-time jobs at Harvest Caye?

Of course not every place in the south has the attractions of Placencia but then again neither does Cayo and that district is booming from tourism. How did it happen? Thirty years ago there was no tourism in Cayo. Nothing was happening except a bit of cattle and logging. Then in 1976 a Belizean named Escander Bedran built the San Ignacio Hotel. Everyone said he was crazy. Immigrants like Mick and Lucy Fleming built the first cabana of Chaa Creek. Pioneers like Lascelle and Sarita Tillett starting transporting visitors up and down the dirt road called the Western Highway. Things changed—gradually of course—but today Cayo is the nation’s second largest tourism destination and thousands of Cayo residents benefit from it.

And the same thing can and will happen in Toledo and Stann Creek if we focus our efforts and not be led astray by the fool’s gold promised by mass cruise tourism. And by the way, if you think that mass cruise tourism and eco-tourism can both prosper in the same place, think again. They are mutually exclusive. High value eco-tourists who spend $5,000 dollars for a week’s holiday in a jungle lodge do not come to the same places where cruise tourists pay $399 for a week in the sunny Caribbean. If you don’t believe it just ask them.

News Flash! Government approves new cruise port in Belize City. So why do we need Harvest Caye? In today’s special sitting of the House of Representatives legislation was introduced paving the way for the creation of a new cruise port in Belize City. The project on Stake Bank, an island a few miles out in the harbor to be connected to the mainland by a causeway, will have berths for four large ships. It is in full compliance with the Master Plan which calls for exactly this type of modernization to provide for not only an increase in the number of cruise visitors but a much improved level of visitor satisfaction. The project is owned by a Belizean, will increase employment in the hard pressed old capital and enable the cruise industry to maximize efficiency and economies of scale by focusing the industry in one part of the country. The developer has even pledged publicly to accommodate independent tour operators.

So if Stake Bank is the answer, what is the question? Why do we need Harvest Caye when NCL can make use of the fine facilities of Stake Bank? Of course it’s all about the sweet deal NCL has at Harvest Caye where they get to own the island, cater to a captive audience, keep all the profits for themselves and have Belizean taxpayers reimburse them for their entire investment.

In the end it’s all about who controls our destiny. In the final analysis Belizeans are being asked to decide who they want to control the future of our nation. Recent experience with the Ashcroft Group, Fortis and most recently the sugar company ASR demonstrates that at the very least we must be extremely careful when dealing with large foreign corporations. The Barrow administration nationalized BTL and BEL and no less than the Leader of the Opposition threatened to nationalize ASR if it did not live up to its agreements with cane farmers. In view of these problems in the past do we really need to climb into bed with NCL? Especially when the cruise companies are well known to be the most aggressive, demanding and difficult investors on the planet.

Mr. Murphy and his local and foreign associates will tell you that NCL is a different kind of cruise line. Kinder, gentler, more sensitive, more conscious. And if you believe that, then there’s a bridge at Kendal that we’d love to sell you. Yes, NCL is different from Carnival and Royal Caribbean the way a Doberman is different from a Pit Bull.

In conclusion, we ask the DOE, NEAC and people of Belize to reject the Harvest Caye cruise port in its entirety as the minor benefits of the project are far outweighed by the costs to the environment, economy and future welfare of the nation of Belize.
 
In conclusion, we ask the DOE, NEAC and people of Belize to reject the Harvest Caye cruise port in its entirety as the minor benefits of the project are far outweighed by the costs to the environment, economy and future welfare of the nation of Belize.

Ralph, what group published the above position paper? In other words, who is "we"?
 
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