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Soda - so bad in many ways...
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lamont
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Soda also causes glucose and insulin spikes. In the long term this will lead to diabetes. In the short term it leads to a blood sugar crash and a craving for more sweet foods and simple carbs. This is a self-reinforcing cycle which then leads to too much calorie consumption and obesity.
The insulin released from sugar (like in soda) also is involved in fat storage. They've done studies in mice where they've mutated the insulin receptors on their fat cells so that insulin would no longer bind, and found that the mice would not gain weight when fed a diabetes-causing diet. What is interesting about this is that it proves that it isn't just the amount of calories that you consume, but the chemical interactions that result in fat storage that are important in dealing with obesity.
I find that I have to keep my glucose and insulin levels under control or else I gain weight. I can overeat fats and calories and I won't lose weight, but I also dont seem to gain weight.
Diet sodas aren't much better because although they don't produce the glucose rush, the sweetness from the nutrasweet causes your pancreas to secrete insulin anyways, which leads to a blood sugar crash.
I only drink water, seltzer, coffee or milk now (well, gin and scotch, too) Mostly water and seltzer.
What was interesting was that for the week after I quit drinking soda, I compulsively started eating a pint of ice cream a day until I stopped myself. That's when I figured out how addictive sugars were...
The insulin released from sugar (like in soda) also is involved in fat storage. They've done studies in mice where they've mutated the insulin receptors on their fat cells so that insulin would no longer bind, and found that the mice would not gain weight when fed a diabetes-causing diet. What is interesting about this is that it proves that it isn't just the amount of calories that you consume, but the chemical interactions that result in fat storage that are important in dealing with obesity.
I find that I have to keep my glucose and insulin levels under control or else I gain weight. I can overeat fats and calories and I won't lose weight, but I also dont seem to gain weight.
Diet sodas aren't much better because although they don't produce the glucose rush, the sweetness from the nutrasweet causes your pancreas to secrete insulin anyways, which leads to a blood sugar crash.
I only drink water, seltzer, coffee or milk now (well, gin and scotch, too) Mostly water and seltzer.
What was interesting was that for the week after I quit drinking soda, I compulsively started eating a pint of ice cream a day until I stopped myself. That's when I figured out how addictive sugars were...
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simbrooks:
Right. One of the articles does mention that Gatorade is beneficial but needs to be cut with water in order to be used effectively as a replenisher. This was the NAUI article I believe.
lamont:
This is a major reason that I made that decision to have soda not in my household as a tempation. Diabetes runs in my family, as does heart condition, and I figure that I'm not up to tempting fate and trolling for the disease by giving it the jump start that it needs to change my life. If diabetes is going to effect me, its going to work its little tail off to catch me.. I'm doing everything I can to prolong the possibility of having to monitor everything I choose to do. Its more a problem for me than it is soemone who this doesnt follow genetically, but that doesn't mean it can't find you to.
Oh.. and to clarify - I haven't 100% given up soda... a 50/50 mountain dew/southern comfort 100 or some Bat is really yummy.. but then again, after a shot, you can mix with anything and be fairly happy
About the time your kidneys start to scream, consider the possibility that you might be consuming too much water...
"Drink at least eight glasses of water a day." Really? Is there scientific evidence for "8 × 8"?
Abstract: Despite the seemingly ubiquitous admonition to "drink at least eight 8-oz glasses of water a day" (with an accompanying reminder that beverages containing caffeine and alcohol do not count), rigorous proof for this counsel appears to be lacking. Read more.
Water How much do we need?
Abstract:The report indicated that the vast majority of healthy people adequately meet their daily hydration needs by letting thirst be their guide. The report set general recommendations for water intake based on detailed national data. These data showed that women who appear to be adequately hydrated consume an average of approximately 2.7 liters (91 ounces) of total water -- from all beverages and foods -- each day, and men average approximately 3.7 liters (125 ounces) daily. These values represent adequate intake levels. Individuals who are very physically active or who live in hot climates may need to consume more water. About 80 percent of people's total water comes from drinking water and beverages -- including caffeinated beverages -- and the other 20 percent is derived from food. Read more.
You Can Drink Too Much Water
Abstract: Yes, there is a condition known as "water intoxication." It is usually associated with long distance events like running and cycling. And its not an unusual problem. For example, water intoxication was reported in 18% of marathon runners and in 29% of the finishers in a Hawaiian Ironman Triathlon in studies published recently in the Annals of Internal Medicine and in Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise respectively. Read more.
All this heavy reading makes me thirsty.
"Drink at least eight glasses of water a day." Really? Is there scientific evidence for "8 × 8"?
Abstract: Despite the seemingly ubiquitous admonition to "drink at least eight 8-oz glasses of water a day" (with an accompanying reminder that beverages containing caffeine and alcohol do not count), rigorous proof for this counsel appears to be lacking. Read more.
Water How much do we need?
Abstract:The report indicated that the vast majority of healthy people adequately meet their daily hydration needs by letting thirst be their guide. The report set general recommendations for water intake based on detailed national data. These data showed that women who appear to be adequately hydrated consume an average of approximately 2.7 liters (91 ounces) of total water -- from all beverages and foods -- each day, and men average approximately 3.7 liters (125 ounces) daily. These values represent adequate intake levels. Individuals who are very physically active or who live in hot climates may need to consume more water. About 80 percent of people's total water comes from drinking water and beverages -- including caffeinated beverages -- and the other 20 percent is derived from food. Read more.
You Can Drink Too Much Water
Abstract: Yes, there is a condition known as "water intoxication." It is usually associated with long distance events like running and cycling. And its not an unusual problem. For example, water intoxication was reported in 18% of marathon runners and in 29% of the finishers in a Hawaiian Ironman Triathlon in studies published recently in the Annals of Internal Medicine and in Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise respectively. Read more.
All this heavy reading makes me thirsty.
chickdiver:
Another don't plan to here, too.
Went from lots of cherry pepsi (true necter...miss it terribly) to a couple of diet pepsi's a day over ice... quite diluted, really. In addition to the two to three litres of water each day.
I don't get the coke or diet coke thing. There are pepsi people and coke people - and I'm a pepsi person.
Occasionally when I'm feeling exceptionally randy I'll have a Mr. Pibb.
I rule.
As a former sodaholic (6 - 10 Dew a day down to 4 - 5 Pepsi to my current intake of 1 to 2) I can say that I feel much better with less. No sticky sweat, no sour mouth, etc.
But I'll always have diet pepsi around.
K
weekender
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please don't be insulted by my skepticism. but I feel I have the right to question anything someone posts as fact. you wrote, "Here's what one of my clients and personal trainer has to write." I ask, what education does yours or any personal trainer have? what makes him an expert on soda or teeth? my trainer has a high school diploma but even if he had a doctorate I would like to know how he came to this conclusion. I would also like to be able to verify his research. your post mentions, "The British Dental Association sent out a warning ." I'm American and not familiar with this organization or their warning but according to their website they are a trade union and set work policies for dental professionals not set health standards or do research. a lot of warnings are thrown around the internet and sound professional and factual. many times I really have to doubt a good intentioned warning. perhaps diet soda does rot your teeth. I personally doubt it but admittadly don't know. so does my dentist though, who I hold in high esteem as a dental expert. but your post based on non expert opinion and anecdotal evidence hasn't changed my mind. if perhaps you or anyone can refer me to documented research by a recognized scientific organization I will change my mind. until then i'm going to drink diet soda with a clean conscience. finally, I assure you i'm not doubting your intentions or questioning your trainers intelligence or integrity. I just get skeptical about email health warning because so many fakes are out there.
Being British i can fully vouch for the BDA, they are well known and set the standards for almost all the dentists in the UK. They do fund research and are on the forefront of what is going on in dentistry. They are similar to the ADA over here, who i also didnt know much about before i moved into this country (apart from their position as approx. the equivalent of the BDA). You need to get out around the world some more and see what the rest of the world does - the Americans dont have the first call on everything in research, nor do the Brits, its a combination of research and studying around the entire world that has introduced many ideas into the mainstream of any area of life and are the basis of many recommendations as well as laws.weekender:
Just looking at the effect of soda on materials that react with acids is plenty of evidence that they have a chance to mess with your teeth and internals. If you look at the nutritional info that is printed on the cans or bottles, you can see what you are putting into yourself in the way of sugars, carbs and whatnot. Yes some of Colin's sources are subjective, some are just commentaries on what research has shown. If you choose not to accept it, that is fine, but to question the validity of many published articles and the result of research is flying in the face of facts (even if they are empircally derived), that doesnt mean they cant be questioned, but obviously someone put in the time and effort to look into these things.
weekender
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thanks for the info on the bda. i stand corrected about their purpose. i briefly read their purpose on their offical website. with that said i'd like to mention i have been to the uk, most of europe, russia, the balkans, africa and parts of asia. so please dont imply im somehow provincial. re read my post. i make no reference to the bda other than i feel it was improperly quoted. lets not make this personal and i dont appreciate your anti-american tone. i made every attempt to be cordial and would appreciate the same. also, my only point was that i dont believe the info presented and would like to have verifiable facts to form a different opinion. this is a exactly what the auther asked at the end of his post. i respoded honestly to his post.
I guess i misread your post somewhat and thought you had an attacking tone about something British, please accept my apologies about the firm tone i used - something makes me very defensive when i see/hear/read Americans attacking British things that they consider inferior. Trying not to be too political, the English public often wonder if the PM is a lapdog dancing to the tune of the current American President and that we just fall in line - i think you get the drift. Some Americans i have met have not been very much out of the country and often talk in the kind of tone i thought i read in your post - hence my defenses went up straight away.
I have been in this country for just over 2 years and whilst FL is not quite my cup of tea, i do generally enjoy American people and maybe a move to a nicer spot might help in that matter (one day in my dreams). There are occasions when things grate me and i am still battling the occasional thing, although i also would in the UK under similar circumstances. I am not anit-American, sometimes i am not as pro as an American though, i base my views, opinions and decisions on what i experience, what i learn and read about (sometimes with a pinch of salt) and that sometimes gets me too quick to defend myself and those things associated with the country of my birth.
I appreciate your POV and your desire to verify facts, like i said, sometimes when people run a commentary on research, they do bias one way or the other a little and make it a little more subjective, that doesnt mean they are completely unfounded in truth.
I have been in this country for just over 2 years and whilst FL is not quite my cup of tea, i do generally enjoy American people and maybe a move to a nicer spot might help in that matter (one day in my dreams). There are occasions when things grate me and i am still battling the occasional thing, although i also would in the UK under similar circumstances. I am not anit-American, sometimes i am not as pro as an American though, i base my views, opinions and decisions on what i experience, what i learn and read about (sometimes with a pinch of salt) and that sometimes gets me too quick to defend myself and those things associated with the country of my birth.
I appreciate your POV and your desire to verify facts, like i said, sometimes when people run a commentary on research, they do bias one way or the other a little and make it a little more subjective, that doesnt mean they are completely unfounded in truth.
