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Bill51:
It would take a ton of paperwork to get the proper authorization to register an EPIRB for that use, .
It would take about 15 minutes to register; less if you do it online. In the NOAA/SARSAT beacon registration form, the section on "Specific Usage" has the options of Hiking, Hunting, Fishing, and other, so it seems that the system is indeed setup to handle this sort of use.

Ref: http://www.acrelectronics.com/aquafix/plbreg.pdf

ACR makes a nice 12 ounce 406MHz Epirb with a low power 121.5MHz homing beacon included. Some models have GPS capability. http://www.acrelectronics.com/aquafix/

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In regards to cellphones, don't forget that even analog cellphones have very spotty coverage in wilderness areas. If you are serious about phone communications, then a satphone is the way to go.
 
Yeah Charlie, I would have thought that more climbers would be carrying them. They are not expensive when you compare them to the cost of some other climbing equipment.
 
Diver Dennis:
Yeah Charlie, I would have thought that more climbers would be carrying them. They are not expensive when you compare them to the cost of some other climbing equipment.
For serious climbers, the extra 12 ounces is probably a bigger problem than the cost.
 
or, the cost of the rescue.

The bill by now might be 400 k guessing

Al says Oregon bills you.
 
I never thought about the weight but I guess that would be a lot for a serious climber, Charlie. I wonder if they bill the family if they don't find you Catherine?
 
I think if they are carrying all that other stuff, they could carry the EPIRB.

I don't know, Al told me about the billing..I never knew Oregon did that. I could be wrong..somebody told me today.

You know Breitling makes a watch with a gps pin you pull. (pilots model)

Of course if the heli can't fly in a blizzard, you still have a problem
 
I hadn't heard that Oregon charges. I'll ask.
 
that's why you need good insurance

and for the weight, some climbers cut off the tags on their clothes to reduce any weight they can. I was laughing at that until I climbed mount Rainier earlier this year (just north of mt Hood, in the Cascades too) Then i didn't laugh anymore. Weight is a serious factor. But for the most dangerous part of the climb, we all wore avalanche beacons so rescuers could track us in case of a fall in a crevice or an avalanche.
 
Charlie99:
It would take about 15 minutes to register; less if you do it online. In the NOAA/SARSAT beacon registration form, the section on "Specific Usage" has the options of Hiking, Hunting, Fishing, and other, so it seems that the system is indeed setup to handle this sort of use.

Ref: http://www.acrelectronics.com/aquafix/plbreg.pdf

ACR makes a nice 12 ounce 406MHz Epirb with a low power 121.5MHz homing beacon included. Some models have GPS capability. http://www.acrelectronics.com/aquafix/

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In regards to cellphones, don't forget that even analog cellphones have very spotty coverage in wilderness areas. If you are serious about phone communications, then a satphone is the way to go.
Thanks for the correction on that and I’m glad to see it. When I left SAR work in 1999 this was a complaint many of us had and it looks like something did get done about it. It would still be nice to have communications capabilities on 121.5.

A guy I used to climb with always cut the tags off tea bags to reduce weight, so yes it gets pretty critical.
 
2 Climbers May Have Fallen and Died
By JOSEPH B. FRAZIER, Associated Press Writer
4 hours ago

HOOD RIVER, Ore. - Two climbers still missing on Mount Hood may have been swept to their deaths over a treacherous cliff by howling winds of more than 100 mph after they left their injured companion behind in a snow cave to get help.

Sheriff Joe Wampler offered that scenario as rescuers went back up the mountain in helicopters Monday to retrieve the body of Kelly James from the snow cave and try again to find his two companions, who have been missing for a week.

But the sheriff spoke grimly about the chances the pair were still alive: "We failed them. We literally failed them. But we tried our best, I know that."

James' body was discovered over the weekend. He had an unspecified arm injury that apparently prevented him from continuing, Wampler said. Wampler said climbing equipment found on the mountain _ including two slings and two aluminum anchors driven into the snow _ led rescuers to believe that James' companions, Brian Hall and Jerry "Nikko" Cooke, had tried to secure themselves to the steep slope. That was the last sign of the two.

Because of that, authorities said, it appears more and more likely that they were victims of an accident.

If they did not find a place to take shelter, the sheriff warned, the climbers are long past the point of survival. But he added: "You can last a long time in a hole. We're going to keep looking for that hole."

The spot on the 11,239-foot mountain where the two men vanished is commonly known as "the gullies," with a 60-degree slope and a treacherous 2,500-foot drop-off. Thirteen deaths over the past 40 years have been recorded in the same area.

Teams were expected to continue searching for two more days, but weather forecasts may require them to take a break about Wednesday.

James, a 48-year-old landscape architect from Dallas, made a cell phone call from the cave on Dec. 10, telling his family the party was in trouble.

Wampler said it appears the three climbers succeeded in reaching the summit from the difficult north side and started go down the easier south side. They apparently tried to pass through a rock-and-ice formation known as the Pearly Gates, but did not find it.

They built a snow cave, possibly because of bad weather, the sheriff said. He said all three probably spent the night of Dec. 8 there. The next day, he said, two of the men probably left the cave to go in search of help for James, who may have been injured. Then, the weather deteriorated even more.

The two had to dig another snow cave on a steep slope for themselves, not far from the first one, and apparently used snow anchors to secure themselves to the mountain as bad weather raged around them, the sheriff said.

"At some point they were standing there clipped into something, probably because it was so windy there. I mean this is a really steep, dangerous place on the mountain," Wampler said.

Two ice axes, a glove, some rope and a piece of sleeping mat were found along with the slings and snow anchors.

If they cannot find the climbers, rescue teams may start digging through as much as 10 feet of new snow that has fallen on the mountain, the sheriff said. "These guys left a trail better than most. But looking for three people on a very big mountain is a needle in a haystack," he said.

The climbers may have suffered through weather similar to conditions on Mount Everest, the world's highest peak, said Jim Whittaker, who in 1963 became the first American to climb to the top of Everest.

"It can turn into an Everest when you get those high winds and snow," said Whittaker, speaking from his home in Port Townsend, Wash. "You get knocked over by the wind. Your goggles fog up. You can't even travel."

Most climbers attempt Mount Hood in May and June, when the weather is calmer. But Whittaker said he did not think it was reckless for the three men to climb Mount Hood during the winter.

"They were climbers that knew what they were doing. They were just pushing themselves to their farthest frontiers. That's when people are at their best," he said.

Frank James, brother of Kelly James, choked back tears when he said a ring found on his brother's body inside the snow cave had confirmed his identity

"This is a difficult day for all three families," James said. "I feel that I have two other brothers still on the mountain," he said.
 
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