Snap swivel positioning on SPG/regulator hose?

[LiteHedded]

One hand width was further out on the hose than I was thinking but after watching a video of long hose donation, it makes perfect sense. I'm going to start with this and work from there.


This looks mostly like the instructions on the DGX site (which I've been following) with a couple of differences. Actually, I found it clearer and easier to follow.



Could you clarify on "it is a little critical if you are tall on how far up it goes"? By "how far up", it sounds like you mean how far up on the hose .i.e. farther away from the crimp? Is the concern here that the snap just won't reach the left hip D-ring if it's too far up?

Between wifebuddy and I, we have a 24" and 26" hose for the SPG and are going to see which one fits/works for us best.

Thanks for the info so far,
elgoog

are your backplates the same height? if so you should need the same hose. unless you have one of the 'small' backplates that length doesn't change if you're tall or short

 

[tbone1004]

for me if I use a 24" hose, my torso is long enough that on single tanks especially I have to have the tie point on the SPG itself or it doesn't reach.

On the primary, I still like it close to the crimp fitting and just grab it with my thumb when I donate. If you're doing it hand width apart, do it from where you actually grab the regulator, not the connection point. I don't agree with this donation method fwiw, it's the way I learned it, but there are better ways to hand off regulators than from the hose..... not going into that here since you are taking a GUE class and that's the way you have to do it.

 

[LiteHedded]

But ur torso doesn't matter. The position of the waist belt and therefore d ring is fixed. Even if your torso is longer

where you put your rig on the single tank and hose routing matters though

 

[tbone1004]

huh? The waist belt is certainly not fixed from diver to diver..... If I use a non custom length hose, or use my doubles hose on singles, I can run it really close to not being long enough. My solution is still to run it down with the inflator hose, thanks Jim Wyatt, but he wants GUE rules, so as long as you have the right hose lengths for your body and rig it'll be fine.

 

[elgoog]

We both have the medium DSS backplates. I haven't paid much attention yet to the exact position of our waistbelts and relative distance from the tank valve, but I'd guess they're not the same because of the way our harnesses are adjusted (??). I figured it was worth getting the 2 sizes to try out and see how they both felt while diving.
For now, I'm going to stick with the standard hose configs/routing, although the inflator routing solution for the SPG looks pretty cool.

If you're doing it hand width apart, do it from where you actually grab the regulator, not the connection point.

Ah, yep - didn't think of that. Thanks!

Best,
elgoog

 

[tbone1004]

It's very efficient and I like it because it's no snag points and it I can look at it without touching anything, just looking down.

You won't have any issues with those hose lengths btw, you'll be fine. I'm 6'4" with a 32" inseam, so it's an awful long way from the tank valve on singles to my waist strap if I run the hose like that.

 

[PfcAJ]

Distance from valves to waist band is a fixed distance. The only variable would be how close or far from the backplate the d ring is placed.

 

[tbone1004]

not in my world it isn't, nor should it be in yours. If the valve to d-ring is fixed then you wouldn't be able to fit it properly on most divers. It is close for most people but if I were to wear my waist strap where it is supposed to be and the top cam band where it also should be, then the valve would be down where it is on double hose regulators, i.e. knob parallel ish to collar bone. If I were to wear the plate based on the idiotic GUE guide of starting with reaching back and touching the top of the plate, then the waist strap would be above my belly button, nowhere close to fitting properly and would be quite unstable. So, if you fit your rig right and have the waist strap where it is supposed to be, which is below your belly button, and at your "natural waist", then it is variable length from valve position to waist strap.
The GUE thing works fine if you're 5'8 to 6'0" which is the size of the divers that the plates were designed around, but if you are any shorter or any taller, it doesn't work at all.

 

[PfcAJ]

With doubles the bands go at the break of the tank. Therefore the distance between valve and waist strap becomes a fixed value.

With single tanks, the cam band positioning should be such so that its similar to the positioning of doubles. Dat constancy.

You can put your backplate wherever you want. That does not change the distance from the valve to the waist strap.

 

[kensuf]

It'll probably break on the next dive now.

You'll just lose a knife. I lost one of those titanium jobs a few months back myself, and just went back to steak knives.

BTW, after having a stainless bolt snap jam up (about six months ago), I've taken to using a breakaway attachment for the long hose clip by using an O-ring in the mix. I'm reasonably sure it's not DIR, but I feel better about my odds for giving someone a long hose in an emergency.