Skin diving around divers on a safety stop

[psychocabbage]

yep, dont put yourself into harm to save someone (I bet all that goes out the window if it's a loved one)
but it sure seems that what your saying here is a corruption of what I was taught , almost cavalier

Thats part of the seriousness I put into it when I am telling a couple that they have to come to terms with the fact that if they turn around and find a loved one laying motionless on the bottom, no bubbles, and they are not skilled enough to recover the body, their #1 priority is to mark the spot and ascend properly and get help. Trying to get the body themselves puts them at risk and 1 dead person is better than 2.

Some of you really have a hard time with panic situations. I can see why training is a breeze for me. All crisis situations are, are an implied risk assessment. If you have a hard time dealing with mortality this may not be the activity for you. I am perfectly capable of staying calm and rational under the given circumstances but perhaps I have endured more trauma and been dulled by it in my lifetime.

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

All kidding and bravado aside, I don't think I've ever dived with anyone who wouldn't try to help another diver in trouble, whether or not they were a "loved one", even at some level of risk to themselves. I certainly would never dive again with someone who I came to believe had such an attitude!

Same here. Thats just a bad attitude to have and I would not want to be around them.

 

[D_B]

Thats part of the seriousness I put into it when I am telling a couple that they have to come to terms with the fact that if they turn around and find a loved one laying motionless on the bottom, no bubbles, and they are not skilled enough to recover the body, their #1 priority is to mark the spot and ascend properly and get help. Trying to get the body themselves puts them at risk and 1 dead person is better than 2.

Some of you really have a hard time with panic situations. I can see why training is a breeze for me. All crisis situations are, are an implied risk assessment. If you have a hard time dealing with mortality this may not be the activity for you. I am perfectly capable of staying calm and rational under the given circumstances but perhaps I have endured more trauma and been dulled by it in my lifetime.

You know they're dead??
I see no danger to me to go over and investigate and maybe SAVE that person.

Risk assessment? ... I am assessing that there is risk to me if I dive with you ... more than with anyone I've ever dived with to date

 

[Blackwood]

Also, "buoyancy" and "it's" are mistyped. Hmm, that's three strikes in three consecutive sentences (well, fragments really).

Actually, 'thier' was the first misspelling in that post. 'Grammer' was just the funniest.

 

[Missdirected]

This is like the wild west thread here with knives and my air is mine. Made for some interesting reading though. If you know the person or not I think it is the only responsible thing to do is try and help. Your safety first, but what kind of person would actually watch another person drown when they could have done something, not a descent one for sure.

I think it may be just a lot of inexperience speaking or mouthing things they have heard or read here.

I'd recommend a rescue class to a great number here on this thread. Especially before giving advice on a situation you have never been in and haven't even practiced. The knowledge you will gain from such a class can prove invaluable.

There are many ways to help a diver and get a situation under control. Knifing them or just telling them to piss off should not be the first thing that comes to mind.

D_B, one of the most amazing things I ever heard was from a couple of kids in the Keys. Their mother was in full panic, they knew they could not help, so they backed away so as to not cause harm to themselves. As they said, they followed their training - what they had up to that point in time. She died in just a couple of feet of water :sad:

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

I think it may be just a lot of inexperience speaking or mouthing things they have heard or read here.

I'd recommend a rescue class to a great number here on this thread. Especially before giving advice on a situation you have never been in and haven't even practiced. The knowledge you will gain from such a class can prove invaluable.

There are many ways to help a diver and get a situation under control. Knifing them or just telling them to piss off should not be the first thing that comes to mind.

D_B, one of the most amazing things I ever heard was from a couple of kids in the Keys. Their mother was in full panic, they knew they could not help, so they backed away so as to not cause harm to themselves. As they said, they followed their training - what they had up to that point in time. She died in just a couple of feet of water :sad:

I agree with everything you just said. Stress and rescue was the best class, very valuable information. To do nothing would be a hard decision to make, but that is what we are taught if our safety is compromised. For me, I could be very happy to dive out my days and never hear of another scuba accident. But if faced with someone about to drown, I dont think I could sit by and do nothing unless I knew it was with out a doubt going to kill me too.

 

[Papa_Bear]

I think it may be just a lot of inexperience speaking or mouthing things they have heard or read here.

I'd recommend a rescue class to a great number here on this thread. Especially before giving advice on a situation you have never been in and haven't even practiced. The knowledge you will gain from such a class can prove invaluable.

There are many ways to help a diver and get a situation under control. Knifing them or just telling them to piss off should not be the first thing that comes to mind.

D_B, one of the most amazing things I ever heard was from a couple of kids in the Keys. Their mother was in full panic, they knew they could not help, so they backed away so as to not cause harm to themselves. As they said, they followed their training - what they had up to that point in time. She died in just a couple of feet of water :sad:

Nice story, but any news accounts? It would be an interesting read! Then again it maybe just a story?

I do agree about the rescue class! The life you save maybe your own!

 

[ScubaTexan]

Thats part of the seriousness I put into it when I am telling a couple that they have to come to terms with the fact that if they turn around and find a loved one laying motionless on the bottom, no bubbles, and they are not skilled enough to recover the body, their #1 priority is to mark the spot and ascend properly and get help. Trying to get the body themselves puts them at risk and 1 dead person is better than 2.

Some of you really have a hard time with panic situations. I can see why training is a breeze for me. All crisis situations are, are an implied risk assessment. If you have a hard time dealing with mortality this may not be the activity for you. I am perfectly capable of staying calm and rational under the given circumstances but perhaps I have endured more trauma and been dulled by it in my lifetime.

Just curious -- did you choose your user name, or did someone else suggest it for you?

 

[Missdirected]

Nice story, but any news accounts? It would be an interesting read! Then again it maybe just a story?

Please do not insult me. I haven't taken that stance with you. Furthermore, I do not make up stories. Especially involving ones where someone has died. I was in the hotel room with these children hours after they lost their mother. FYI the story can be found here: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/accidents-incidents/194157-over-weighting-death.html

 

[Thalassamania]

All nice cute theory but when a diver really needs air not part of training the signalling and waiting is the first thing ignored. They need air and they need it *now*, they WILL go for your octopus or they will go for your reg. They need to breathe. To them nothing else matters.

This is what we get for the poor level of training that is provided to most divers these days.

That clicking noise and no air on totally empty lungs is pretty much guaranteed to make most people forget cosmetics like signals and waiting. Once they have air most will calm down. Refusing them air you create a potentially life threatening situation and even manage to make it worse.

I can guarantee you that a diver can be trained to handle an OOA situation calmly and methodically ... even when the regulator fails at the end of an exhalation. Its just that the agencies do not see that as an important skill for a new diver. Go figure?

Pushing someone away who is trying to get an octo off you to me is refusing to give a potentially dying diver life saving gas and at very least in my eyes an assault.

If someone wants my air or my reg that can have it immediately, no questions asked. THEN we sort out whats happened and how to get out of it. (....although if its a rich nitrox mix i may charge you for it afterwards at that stuff isnt cheap )

I'm with you. Anyone can have any of my regulators any time that they want it, for any reason at all. Anything less would be wrong. IMHO, a fear of adopting the same stance is a reflection of inadequate training and skill.