Short Hose Question...

[Lost Yooper]

You know what I mean . Quit pickin' on me ;-0. We've never had such a scenario. The only near misses I've seen were with recreational divers. In fact, we come up with about 1500psi or so.

Boy oh boy, UP.

Mike

 

[Uncle Pug]

Originally posted by Lost Yooper
That's great in practice, but not in a panick situation.

Mike in an emergency we all revert to what we are most familiar with... what we have practiced....

I'm not jokin' you here... we practice emergency gas sharing ascents like I described it to you so that if the real thing happens we can pull it off.

You state that:

"I'm taking him up and not letting go of him until things settle down"

That is not what is going to happen... if you do grab someone who is in a panic (or worse yet let them grab you) they are taking you up!!! And you will have a hard time slowing things down.
:tonguewag

 

[Lost Yooper]

UP,

You would have a hard time slowing things down if he's flying up on the end of a 7' hose too. If you have a guy who is gaffin', coughin', and pukin' who's one concern is getting a breath, are you going to trust him to maintain buoyancy control? Not me. We do the same practice drills as you talk about, but the lack of air can do strange things to one's mind, dontcha think?

I'm not saying any of this is likely with the type of diving we do -- especially the way we are configured and the philosophy we adhere to. I'm just saying that IF you were encountered with a scenario where a diver is not in control, you don't want him shooting to the surface with you attached (you don't want him shooting to the surface regardless). He's going to want comfort and stability for a minute or two (maybe longer or maybe for the entire duration of the dive). Once everything is in control, do whatever is comfortable (ascend seperated).

That's how I see it.

ut:

Mike

 

[Uncle Pug]

Originally posted by Lost Yooper
UP,

You would have a hard time slowing things down if he's flying up on the end of a 7' hose too. That's how I see it.

ut:

Mike

Yooper you are starting to sound like one of those...
Well you know just as well without me saying it.... :tonguewag

Anyway.... back to reality....

As soon as you give them the long hose they are no longer OOA...
No need to start your "grab of panic rush to the surface"....

You are right we aren't going to be doing *those dives* with the kind of folk who need hand holding and comfort....

And when I do a dive with the panic prone it will be shallow enough that when they reach the end of my 7' hose they will shake lose and bob to the surface unharmed.... I've had it happen...

Mike you need to go out and practice with a rototiller.... let him get on your long hose for the ascent and see what happens...
They pop right off like an over-rip cherry cause their hands are to busy clawing at the water to be holding onto the hose....

We have to teach people to hold the hose during air share... for some reason this is not intuitive!

 

[Lost Yooper]

Yeah, I suppose. I'm not around those type much anymore.

Good point.

Mike

 

[Uncle Pug]

Originally posted by Lost Yooper
Yeah, I suppose. Good point.

you mean you giving up already

 

[Lost Yooper]

Ah, I really don't disagree with ya too much on this one . I wasn't thinking too clearly -- you set me straight. I was paying more attention to your argon strap and talking to my buddy on Yahoo about it.

Take care.

Mike

 

[large_diver]

Hey Windknot,

I think you may want to consider what rig you're using before deciding on the length of hose to order (at $30 a pop). For doubles, it seems like 22" would be fine (I'm not speaking from experience here). With a single tank, your tank is in the middle of your back vs. slightly to the right (the bungeed back-up would come off the right post in a double tank set-up). As a result, I think this may make the 22" a tad short. Tank position (how high/low you have your tank mounted) can also affect this.

I'm exclusively a single tank diver and tried the 22" and found it to be too short. I use a 26" now and feel it is long enough without too much floating in the breeze. When I ordered the second hose, I tried both on dry land while looking in a mirror to check how streamlined I am.

Hope this is helpful.

-LD

 

[Windknot]

I knew I should have asked you first....as usual, you have already done all the legwork for me.

I didin't specify that I was going to be using the rig on a single tank to start.....THAT'S why I kept looking at a 22" hose and thinking...."jeez...that just doesn't look like it'll stretch that far!!" I just got confirmation that my Wings and Harness (Should have just ordered the harness from FredT too) arrive today so I will hold off the final order till I get the kit rigged and have Fair Wife get out the measuring tape.

 

[Uncle Pug]

Originally posted by Windknot
I knew I should have asked you first....as usual, you have already done all the legwork for me.

I didin't specify that I was going to be using the rig on a single tank to start.....

so I will hold off the final order till I get the kit rigged and have Fair Wife get out the measuring tape.

Sorry to contradict LD....
(I'm speaking from experience here)

With doubles the 22" necklace hose comes off of the LEFT post, across the back of your neck and over your right shoulder to hang just below your chin.

Since Uncle knew that you were only using singles at this time but wanted to go with doubles in the future... he suggested the 22" hose which will still probably be long enough when you do go with doubles (that's what I use) and only several inches to LONG when you use it on the *center* post of a single.

BTW... I was going to make up a 20" hose for my singles rig yesterday and just never go around to it.... maybe today...