Sexual Assault: Discussion

[H2Andy]

well... what do you think i am trying to do, dude?

[edit] alright, your name no longer appears as the thread originator.

 

[Squalus]

From reading this thread, there are some underlying tones in here that are biased in opinion. Being a male, you naturally want to jump on the accussed side to defend them (male)or, try to question the victim on the events making it sound like they are lying to what actually happened. From reading her first post of what happened I would not question on what happened, I fully support her in what she previously reported. Working for an LDS that is SSI, we have certain guidlines that we follow. For every ten students in the water there is a Dive Con in the water with the primary instructor. Even if we have less than that, there is always a Dive Con in the water for safety reasons as well, this includes private classes as well.

 

[nauifins73]

I too am not trying to diminish in anyway the assult that Fonfon experienced.

BUT I too read Kennedy's post the same way.

Becky

 

[pilot fish]

Kennedy-

FWIW- I didn't read into your comments anything about stupidity or chauvinism.

Let me state first of all that I am not commenting on the incident which sparked this particular thread, but rather on perceptions in general.

As a female diver, and an instructor of 10 years experience, I have been on both sides of this dilemma. My ITC Course Director made inappropriate advances towards me- and went so far as to "drop trou" after class one night. I recognized this as inappropriate behavior- and it sucked and it made me feel liek I had done something to deserve it. HOWEVER- I also recognized early on, while working as a DM, that sometimes when we are teaching our bodies "get in the way" especially in rescue scenarios. When I teach I am always very upfront with my students (male and female) about this. I can, however, see where some actions could (easily) be misconstrued, especially in a situation where there is a language barrier. I'm certainly not saying that this was the case in the incident which sparked this thread, but I do think it is somethign we should all keep in mind. If I was reading Kennedy correctly, this was the point he was trying to make as well.

I can see how innocent things can get magnified UW at 60ft if you are panicking. I'm also not sure what happened but I would like to hear both sides before I hang someone. Any court of law in the civilized world will require to hear both sides.

 

[pilot fish]

well... what do you think i am trying to do, dude?

[edit] alright, your name no longer appears as the thread originator.

Thanks, Andy

 

[chickdiver]

I can see how innocent things can get magnified UW at 60ft if you are panicking. I'm also not sure what happened but I would like to hear both sides before I hang someone. Any court of law in the civilized world will require to hear both sides.

Agreed- and, in truth, the only people who will ever know what really happened or what the true intentions were, are those who were involved. I sincerely hope (for both parties involved) that a full investigation ensues and that the truth prevails.

 

[pilot fish]

Agreed- and, in truth, the only people who will ever know what really happened or what the true intentions were, are those who were involved. I sincerely hope (for both parties involved) that a full investigation ensues and that the truth prevails.

There is one thing that I'm unclear on, did this man have any priors like this? The fact that the victim says he was arrested and "jailed" right away puzzles me. From the link that I see posted here, he seems to have been in business for a long time and manages a Dive Op. Seems foolhardy to risk all that with a breast grope at 60 ft uw over a wetsuit?

 

[H2Andy]

Seems foolhardy to risk all that with a breast grope at 60 ft uw over a wetsuit?

how do you know this is what happened?

you haven't heard the full story from the diver. so why are you assuming
this is what happened?

and what else are you assuming?

just a word of caution

 

[Squalus]

When I teach I am always very upfront with my students (male and female) about this. I can, however, see where some actions could (easily) be misconstrued, especially in a situation where there is a language barrier. I'm certainly not saying that this was the case in the incident which sparked this thread, but I do think it is somethign we should all keep in mind.

Would you not agree then the industry/agencies would require a bi-lingual proficiency then if this was the case?

 

[chickdiver]

Would you not agree then the industry/agencies would require a bi-lingual proficiency then if this was the case?

As in requiring instructors to be bilingual? No they don't. I've worked in resort settings where my primary clients were Japanese and Koreans- we made it work- with a combination of "dive instructor pidgin" and interpreters.