H2Andy
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Shanachie:
three posts and already taking on the man?
gotta love it
ScubaBoard allows Moderators to express their opinions in the open forums.
take a look around the board and you'll see what i mean.
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three posts and already taking on the man?
gotta love it
ScubaBoard allows Moderators to express their opinions in the open forums.
take a look around the board and you'll see what i mean.
and... welcome
sharpenu
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H2Andy:three posts and already taking on the man?
gotta love it
ScubaBoard allows Moderators to express their opinions in the open forums.
take a look around the board and you'll see what i mean.
and... welcome to the board
Oh yeah, and it is fine to participate, but using mod power to censor opposing opinions (not saying you did that) is wrong.
Mods, same as anyone else, get to have opinions. The thing they need to be careful about is to not use their Modly powers 
to ban/delete just because they disagree. Best I can tell the mods have treaded moderately lightly, though this topic clearly, understandably, brings out strong emotions.
I don't know if there's a way to recuse yourself, no switch that you can throw to turn off your mod indicator (at least not if this is like the other software I've seen).
to ban/delete just because they disagree. Best I can tell the mods have treaded moderately lightly, though this topic clearly, understandably, brings out strong emotions.I don't know if there's a way to recuse yourself, no switch that you can throw to turn off your mod indicator (at least not if this is like the other software I've seen).
H2Andy
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other than splitting this thread from the original one, i have taken no official action
on this thread
i *have* emailed the instructor in question (in Spanish, since apparently he doesn't
write English too well), but have not heard from him.
when i do, it's going to be a six-person team (myself included) that will make the
call as to what to do.
i'm just posting about a subject that is close to home and very important to me
also, there's been quite a few personal attacks directed at me, and i haven't
complained (too much). if you can't stand the heat, right?
on this thread
i *have* emailed the instructor in question (in Spanish, since apparently he doesn't
write English too well), but have not heard from him.
when i do, it's going to be a six-person team (myself included) that will make the
call as to what to do.
i'm just posting about a subject that is close to home and very important to me
also, there's been quite a few personal attacks directed at me, and i haven't
complained (too much). if you can't stand the heat, right?
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markfm:
Best you can tell.
Ishie
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"Again, I have never done anything of the kind. You seem to be so wrapped up in something you read on the internet that it must be true and anyone who would question it is evil. Man have I got some real estate..."
Nope, actually on evaluating the claims on both sides, combined with the confirmation of PADI's actions AND police actions (they verified that too, remember?), my opinion is that the original poster isn't lying and I am harming no one by offering support and shock. If this were a "I knew a girl who", I'd check it on snopes.
And keep the real estate, you can use it to build up a commune to protect the multitudes of poor victims of lying women.
"Again you are deciding that it is better to do harm to one person over another based on nothing that has any proof."
How am I harming this man? Am I providing false evidence against him? Am I testifying against him in court? Have I claimed he assaulted ME?
"Ok, with you I'm done. You have accused me multiple times in this thread of things I have not done."
LOL!!! I find this part hilarious because my post was merely a restatement of your equally offensive "summary" of my views. Turns out you don't like your own garbage?
"And your posts are filled with mistruths. Makeing up facts is a bad way to disagree."
I haven't made up anything.
"Fact: there is no proof the man was arrested."
I believe this was covered in SB's reference to the PADI investigation, wasn't it?
"Fact: The man may very much be present."
When the original poster appeared, he clearly was not. If we are to believe the statement attributed to him, he does not speak the language of this board, and the statement was provided by translation through a mediator. This is ample cause to believe he is not present, or at least has not been until VERY recently.
"Fact: I think it is better to allow open discssussion and not to kill every post wich may question the truth of the accusations. Nothing more."
Fact: I'm not the one killing your posts, nor is fonfon, so why take out your obvious issues with the administration here? Additionally, SB is under no obligation not to kill your posts, whether you like it or not, and even whether it's fair or not, though I'm not saying it isn't. You seem to be in a twist because their confirmation of the story doesn't meet your criteria, and are acting like there was no confirmation at all.
"Ok so according to you anyone accused of rape should be considered guilty until proven innocent. That's fair."
See, this is what I'm talking about. You said "with you I'm done" when I threw this sort of thing back in your face. You also seem to possess either a difficult-to-believe inability to distinguish between a courtroom and a message board, which is a learning disability I don't even think there's a name for, OR a deliberate unwillingness to see the difference to attempt to bully your point.
I'm saying rape/assault victims, when appealing groups of people to inform them and gather support, shouldn't have to detail the graphic descriptions of their assault in order not to have people automatically reference their trauma as: "if you are telling the truth..." I think in a court of law, sufficient evidence needs to be provided to convict anyone of any crime, and lacking that evidence, even if it *seems* obvious that the accused has committed the crime, the accused should be released and suffer no legal consequences. I also think that criminals filing false charges should be prosecuted to full extent of the law.
This is very different from the statement you're making. But you'd be great on suicide hotlines "How do I know you're going to kill yourself? I mean, I could hear a gunshot, but that just means a gun went off; doesn't mean it went through you or anything..."
Nope, actually on evaluating the claims on both sides, combined with the confirmation of PADI's actions AND police actions (they verified that too, remember?), my opinion is that the original poster isn't lying and I am harming no one by offering support and shock. If this were a "I knew a girl who", I'd check it on snopes.
And keep the real estate, you can use it to build up a commune to protect the multitudes of poor victims of lying women.
"Again you are deciding that it is better to do harm to one person over another based on nothing that has any proof."
How am I harming this man? Am I providing false evidence against him? Am I testifying against him in court? Have I claimed he assaulted ME?
"Ok, with you I'm done. You have accused me multiple times in this thread of things I have not done."
LOL!!! I find this part hilarious because my post was merely a restatement of your equally offensive "summary" of my views. Turns out you don't like your own garbage?
"And your posts are filled with mistruths. Makeing up facts is a bad way to disagree."
I haven't made up anything.
"Fact: there is no proof the man was arrested."
I believe this was covered in SB's reference to the PADI investigation, wasn't it?
"Fact: The man may very much be present."
When the original poster appeared, he clearly was not. If we are to believe the statement attributed to him, he does not speak the language of this board, and the statement was provided by translation through a mediator. This is ample cause to believe he is not present, or at least has not been until VERY recently.
"Fact: I think it is better to allow open discssussion and not to kill every post wich may question the truth of the accusations. Nothing more."
Fact: I'm not the one killing your posts, nor is fonfon, so why take out your obvious issues with the administration here? Additionally, SB is under no obligation not to kill your posts, whether you like it or not, and even whether it's fair or not, though I'm not saying it isn't. You seem to be in a twist because their confirmation of the story doesn't meet your criteria, and are acting like there was no confirmation at all.
"Ok so according to you anyone accused of rape should be considered guilty until proven innocent. That's fair."
See, this is what I'm talking about. You said "with you I'm done" when I threw this sort of thing back in your face. You also seem to possess either a difficult-to-believe inability to distinguish between a courtroom and a message board, which is a learning disability I don't even think there's a name for, OR a deliberate unwillingness to see the difference to attempt to bully your point.
I'm saying rape/assault victims, when appealing groups of people to inform them and gather support, shouldn't have to detail the graphic descriptions of their assault in order not to have people automatically reference their trauma as: "if you are telling the truth..." I think in a court of law, sufficient evidence needs to be provided to convict anyone of any crime, and lacking that evidence, even if it *seems* obvious that the accused has committed the crime, the accused should be released and suffer no legal consequences. I also think that criminals filing false charges should be prosecuted to full extent of the law.
This is very different from the statement you're making. But you'd be great on suicide hotlines "How do I know you're going to kill yourself? I mean, I could hear a gunshot, but that just means a gun went off; doesn't mean it went through you or anything..."
you better quit while your way behind bud , as this is getting GOOD, LOL
aquaoren
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H2Andy:also, there's been quite a few personal attacks directed at me, and i haven't
complained (too much). if you can't stand the heat, right?
Hey Andy, You seem to be a multitalent. Lawyer, Psychiater, Phylosopher....
Would you enlighten us as to the meaning of life? :11:
True enough. I didn't say no post untouched (or undeleted).James Goddard:
That is the real test of self-control -- being able to zap things and not doing so, even if you really disagree with their contents. It's always easy to justify one's actions ("oh, that post is just too over the top, doesn't fit, is wrong"), much tougher to step back and realize that one's own emotions generally ought not color moderator actions, that my personal dislike of something doesn't make it bad, or at least no worse than other things that I do allow to remain up..
This is a general comment, not directed at anyone here, my own experience as a mod. Trying to act consistently, impartially, isn't easy.
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Ok Ishe, this tit for tat is getting neither of us anywhere. I'll try to explain it to you. My personal opinion is that I believe, at the very least, that Fonfon believes she was assulted. I feel badly for her, and I wish her all the help she can get in dealing with her trauma. If there is anything I can personally do for her, I oficially offer to do it. I am not taking sides against the woman.
But I also believe that nobody knows what has happened truely except for the 2 people who were there. If there is physical evidence of a crime, it has not been put forth in this forum. However, people are being denied the right to disagree with her account. This is the only part I am arguing.
I don't believe it is fair for a person to accuse another of anything on this board and have any and all questioning killed. I am not claiming any first amendment rights here. I'm just arguing that this case had not been treated impartially.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just cannot read your position in any other way but to say that *if* the accusations are false, the damage being done to the accused is worth it because *if* the accusations are true the emotional damage to FonFon would be far worse. That's what I read, and if I'm wrong I apoligize. But if I'm right, how can you make that decision? How can you say it's ok to ruin one person, who may be innocent, to avoid emotional damage to another, who may not be?
I don't want to lessen FonFon's experience in any way, I just want the people who disagree with the lynch mob to be allowed their voice.
James
But I also believe that nobody knows what has happened truely except for the 2 people who were there. If there is physical evidence of a crime, it has not been put forth in this forum. However, people are being denied the right to disagree with her account. This is the only part I am arguing.
I don't believe it is fair for a person to accuse another of anything on this board and have any and all questioning killed. I am not claiming any first amendment rights here. I'm just arguing that this case had not been treated impartially.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just cannot read your position in any other way but to say that *if* the accusations are false, the damage being done to the accused is worth it because *if* the accusations are true the emotional damage to FonFon would be far worse. That's what I read, and if I'm wrong I apoligize. But if I'm right, how can you make that decision? How can you say it's ok to ruin one person, who may be innocent, to avoid emotional damage to another, who may not be?
I don't want to lessen FonFon's experience in any way, I just want the people who disagree with the lynch mob to be allowed their voice.
James
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