Sexual Assault: Discussion

[H2Andy]

the post-traumatic stress suffered by the US population after the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, DC, but a study published in the journal Psychosomatic Medicine suggests it may be better to suppress those feelings.

dude, that study is about the PUBLIC exposed to TV images of the event.

we're talking about participants here. a whole different ball game.

in fact, the study does suggest that low levels of trauma can be coped with
through avoidance. the trauma passes rather quickly (perhaps 2 years), and
the patient heals. this is how most low-level trauma is dealt with ("time heals all
wounds").

when you have serious trauma, it just don't work that way.

[edit] oh, also, i should add that it also depends on the person. some people have
more difficulty dealing with the same level of trauma than others. there are many
factors, such as how socialized the individual is, that make a difference.

 

[ScubaNorth]

at the connotative level, yes.

at the denotative level, there are facts. for example, i can quantify the temperature
at which water freezes and turns to gas.

and i can do that a 1000 times. that's a fact

Nietzsche is so 19th century

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. - Groucho Marx

 

[michaelp68]

My position is that if she does so, and accuses a person by name in a public forum:

a) that person should have equal rights to defend himself and
b) the accusations should be open to questioning, rather than have all posts that question the valitidy of the acount deleted

There are 2 sides to every story, and only one side is being allowed to be repesented here.

James

I completely agree with these points.

Michael

 

[HammerNoMore]

I completely agree with these points.

You just got removed from my ignore list, especially since I don't remember how you got there in the first place

 

[ScubaNorth]

dude, that study is about the PUBLIC exposed to TV images of the event.

we're talking about participants here. a whole different ball game.

in fact, the study does suggest that low levels of trauma can be coped with
through avoidance. the trauma passes rather quickly (perhaps 2 years), and
the patient heals. this is how most low-level trauma is dealt with (time heals all
wounds).

when you have serious trauma, it just don't work that way.

It actually involved heart patients but I was manipulating data to my own end...

There are in fact, four very significant stumbling-blocks in the way of grasping the truth, which every man however learned, can scarcely allow anyone to win a clear title to wisdom, namely, the example of weak and unworthy authority, long standing custom, the unfeeling of the ignorant crowd, and the hiding of our own ignorance while making a display of our apparent knowledge. - Roger Bacon

Your right I know nothing of truama, let go dive.

I leave on last stolen thought.

It is easy to lie with statistics, but it's a lot easier to lie without them. - Richard J. Herrnstein

Fonfon- hope you are able to go forward. Best of Luck.

 

[H2Andy]

It actually involved heart patients but I was manipulating data to my own end...

there's one for the 9/11 viewers too... let me dig it up

i love your quotes, btw

 

[ScubaNorth]

there's one for the 9/11 viewers too... let me dig it up

i love your quotes, btw

Ripped off every one of them....

Some day I may actually say something worth quoting.

So sad that we may not continue to dive with a "buddy" but have to start calling them a "witness".

 

[michaelp68]

You just got removed from my ignore list, especially since I don't remember how you got there in the first place

Hah, I remember why I made the list. We strongly disagreed about something. Neither of us would let it go. The result was I made your list.

I think the points you've made in this thread are very good and I agree, even though they're not popular.

Michael

 

[HammerNoMore]

Hah, I remember why I made the list. We strongly disagreed about something. Neither of us would let it go. The result was I made your list.

Oh I rememember that much, I just don't remember what we disagreed about, so it must not have been that important

 

[Shanachie]

Just joined the forums today. Appears to be one hell of a day to join.

Observations (JMHOs):

- The opinions here seem to be some sort of litmus test: those who are disposed to automatically believe can't brook any questions; those who aren't want more specifics. I lean somewhat toward the latter; by posting here, the victim (BTW, I believe she really was assaulted) should understand that questions were inevitable and not an indictment of her. Maybe it was too soon for her to come to this forum. For us, it's all speculation; for her, it's personal in a way most can't understand.

- The posts re PADI are spot on: PADI will act in the interests of PADI as seen by their attorneys. Rightly so, that's why they have executives, who are empowered to "act" (i.e., "execute") in the interests of the organization. You can't draw any guilt-or-innocence conclusion from their actions, BigJetDriver89's endorsement notwithstanding.

- H2Andy should recuse himself as moderator. He has taken sides in the discussion and will not be seen as neutral, which is vital for a moderator.

JMHO,
Shanachie