"safety diver" on OW course as a prelim to rescue

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The SSI Dive shop I am completing my advanced with and recently signed up to do Rescue with on the 30-31st of December with suggested that as a prelim to the rescue course I should act as a "Safety diver" on an OW course, which I did last weekend.

Day 1 involved the pool session with an instructor, 2 DM's, myself and 6 students. My role was simply to act as an extra pair of eyes to spot potential problems and to be the demonstrator for the skills (as in, "Now we're going to do BC removal at the surface. Mark will show you how it's done, then we'll all give it a try"). It was good to go over the OW skills again, and to show me that instructing all day in a pool is actually not that nicer job, but it was a little boring.

Day 2 was the instructor, me and 3 students doing their 3rd and 4th open water dives. The first dive was their "deep" (15m) dive, and no skills were done. I simply buddied with one of the students and we basically did a "follow me" dive with the instructor.
The second dive they did alt air source ascents and CESA ascents from 6m. My role was to sit on the bottom and babysit the students waiting their turn to do the skills. I basically sat in the same spot with them and pointed out things around us to take their (and my) minds off the fact we were sitting still and getting chilly.

I didn't enjoy it as much as just going diving, mostly due to it being new and my confidence level being low in that I'm not all that experienced myself, so having even less experienced people to deal with was a little stressful, although they were all good students.
However, it was a really good learning experience in seeing how I used to be, what a somewhat stressed diver looks like and going back over the basics again.

Do many schools do this kind of thing? to me it seems like a good idea. They said I was welcome to do it anytime in future if I wanted to and I might do it again after my rescue course.
 
Arete:
The SSI Dive shop I am completing my advanced with and recently signed up to do Rescue with on the 30-31st of December with suggested that as a prelim to the rescue course I should act as a "Safety diver" on an OW course, which I did last weekend.

Day 1 involved the pool session with an instructor, 2 DM's, myself and 6 students. My role was simply to act as an extra pair of eyes to spot potential problems and to be the demonstrator for the skills (as in, "Now we're going to do BC removal at the surface. Mark will show you how it's done, then we'll all give it a try"). It was good to go over the OW skills again, and to show me that instructing all day in a pool is actually not that nicer job, but it was a little boring.

Day 2 was the instructor, me and 3 students doing their 3rd and 4th open water dives. The first dive was their "deep" (15m) dive, and no skills were done. I simply buddied with one of the students and we basically did a "follow me" dive with the instructor.
The second dive they did alt air source ascents and CESA ascents from 6m. My role was to sit on the bottom and babysit the students waiting their turn to do the skills. I basically sat in the same spot with them and pointed out things around us to take their (and my) minds off the fact we were sitting still and getting chilly.

I didn't enjoy it as much as just going diving, mostly due to it being new and my confidence level being low in that I'm not all that experienced myself, so having even less experienced people to deal with was a little stressful, although they were all good students.
However, it was a really good learning experience in seeing how I used to be, what a somewhat stressed diver looks like and going back over the basics again.

Do many schools do this kind of thing? to me it seems like a good idea. They said I was welcome to do it anytime in future if I wanted to and I might do it again after my rescue course.
I would never let someone do that, without first having a rescue course. Might have been good for you, but had there been an event, you may or may not have done the right thing.

It is not practice, if you are doing it with real students.

But, if you had the safety course... it is a great idea.
 
What Puff said ... I think that would be OK only as long as someone who's certified to watch over the students is right there with you, beside you, and all you are is "another pair if eyes" .. basically an observer untill you get rescue.

me, personally, I would be very nervious watching over students without someone else close by .. too few dives under my belt, even with rescue
 
ditto

Assisting a trained DM to "shepherd" students--okay. Being promoted to the rank of THE shepherd (as you were on the bottom)--too early for that. It's asking you to go "above and beyond" your training and level of experience. You have every right to feel uncomfortable with that.
 
Observing while in class is all nice and good. But don't let your own safety be compromised.

My primary concern for you is one of responsability. You should NOT be made responsible for a student's safety. That is not only risky, but negligent in the part of your instructor.

New diver, huh? Did you discuss what you would do if you ran out of air?

If you found the experience good for you, then go ahead and continue, but talk to the instructor and tell him you are not comfortable being point-man for a student. You are there to observe and lend a hand, not become a liability to yourself.
 
I also find it a bit odd that you were demonstrating the new skills in the pool sessions. In the PADI DM course you are required to prove that your skills are of "demonstrational quality" meaning you do everything with exaggerated and very slow movements, but I wouldn't expect this from a relatively inexperienced diver.
 
Arete:
The SSI Dive shop I am completing my advanced with and recently signed up to do Rescue with on the 30-31st of December with suggested that as a prelim to the rescue course I should act as a "Safety diver" on an OW course, which I did last weekend.

Day 1 involved the pool session with an instructor, 2 DM's, myself and 6 students. My role was simply to act as an extra pair of eyes to spot potential problems and to be the demonstrator for the skills (as in, "Now we're going to do BC removal at the surface. Mark will show you how it's done, then we'll all give it a try"). It was good to go over the OW skills again, and to show me that instructing all day in a pool is actually not that nicer job, but it was a little boring.

Day 2 was the instructor, me and 3 students doing their 3rd and 4th open water dives. The first dive was their "deep" (15m) dive, and no skills were done. I simply buddied with one of the students and we basically did a "follow me" dive with the instructor.
The second dive they did alt air source ascents and CESA ascents from 6m. My role was to sit on the bottom and babysit the students waiting their turn to do the skills. I basically sat in the same spot with them and pointed out things around us to take their (and my) minds off the fact we were sitting still and getting chilly.

I didn't enjoy it as much as just going diving, mostly due to it being new and my confidence level being low in that I'm not all that experienced myself, so having even less experienced people to deal with was a little stressful, although they were all good students.
However, it was a really good learning experience in seeing how I used to be, what a somewhat stressed diver looks like and going back over the basics again.

Do many schools do this kind of thing? to me it seems like a good idea. They said I was welcome to do it anytime in future if I wanted to and I might do it again after my rescue course.

To me, as I read this, you are doing the job of the DM. At least with the agencies I am familiar with (PADI, IANTD), you are counting against teaching ratio's. Also, for PADI, demostrating skills is a clear no-no. (only current OWSI, DM or AI's can do that).
If you were merely a tag along then its not an issue but if you were to be anything more than a dive buddy, well....

I am also concerned about the idea that a diver without even basic rescue training would be an asset to the instructor. As others have pointed out, although you may see things, do you know how to react? By the same token, the instructor themselves now needs to watch you as well as the students. (He is responsible for you as well). Is that a service to the students in the class?
 
We did something similar as part of our rescue class - but our role was to observe the class - observe the students - not to demonstrate and hand hold. It was a valuable experience and now we are qualified we regularly assist with classes - but first time in was observe only.
 
Puffer Fish:
I would never let someone do that, without first having a rescue course. Might have been good for you, but had there been an event, you may or may not have done the right thing.

No different than an inexperienced buddy.
 

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