Routing of secondary hose

[Nemrod]

I placed this question in the Tech forum because I imagine those most familair with long hose rigs live here.

I occasionally miss some details and I noted in this video (the diver is excellent) that the secondary is routed under arm and with a swivel. Is this common practice?



My long hose rigs and those I have paid attention to in the wild are running a short 22 +/- inches hose over the shoulder for secondary, primary being 60/72 inches hose around the torso. But now that I see this video (excluding streamlined/Florida rigs 40 inches under the shoulder with swivel on primary, secondary over shoulder on 22 inches hose), well, it looks like a clean routing? Not sure why I have not done this or thought to do it. I sort of like it because it puts both hoses under the arm and cleans up the diver's profile with no hoses poking out.

 

[Divin'Papaw]

I placed this question in the Tech forum because I imagine those most familair with long hose rigs live here.

I occasionally miss some details and I noted in this video (the diver is excellent) that the secondary is routed under arm and with a swivel. Is this common practice?



My long hose rigs and those I have paid attention to in the wild are running a short 22 +/- inches hose over the shoulder for secondary, primary being 60/72 inches hose around the torso. But now that I see this video (excluding streamlined/Florida rigs 40 inches under the shoulder with swivel on primary, secondary over shoulder on 22 inches hose), well, it looks like a clean routing? Not sure why I have not done this or thought to do it. I sort of like it because it puts both hoses under the arm and cleans up the diver's profile with no hoses poking out.

Not in my experience. I've been diving a long hose for nearly 20 years (started at dive #6) and first started tech training in 2007. Been diving a standard technical configuration ever since. In that time, the secondary almost universally is on a short 20-22" hose coming over the right shoulder on a bungee necklace under the chin. Only the long hose goes under the right arm. That is just my experience in the diving circles I've been a part of. Great Lakes wreck diving primarily along with alot of buddies who were NFL cave divers. Interesting to see what others say.

 

[lizardland]

I suppose it depends on what you see as the problem and what benefit the fix brings.

I tend to be on the damn near ascetic end of the Hogarthian spectrum. Why would I add a swivel to the hose just so I could run it under my arm when not running it under my arm has no real downside? A swivel is one more thing to fail, one more thing to carry a spare for. I'm not sure what length of hose I'd need to achieve it but it's probably a hose I don't have handy if I ever need a replacement. I don't know if I like two hoses running under the same arm either, it makes me think I will cock that up one day.

For me I don't see much benefit. There's no dive police though, do what you want.

 

[inquis]

I noted in this video (the diver is excellent) that the secondary is routed under arm and with a swivel. Is this common practice?

I'm confused because in this video the alternate hose is coming over the right shoulder and there is no swivel. It's the standard doubles config that has worked well for ages.

Did you mean to link a different video, or is there a timestamp that shows what you're describing?

 

[MarkA]

I'm confused because in this video the alternate hose is coming over the right shoulder and there is no swivel. It's the standard doubles config that has worked well for ages.

Did you mean to link a different video, or is there a timestamp that shows what you're describing?

Same here. Looks normal.

Did think it was cheating doing mask removal without a thick hood

 

[DOBY]

I'm confused because in this video the alternate hose is coming over the right shoulder and there is no swivel. It's the standard doubles config that has worked well for ages.

Did you mean to link a different video, or is there a timestamp that shows what you're describing?

Agree…..I too am confused by the initial post. It appears the bungeed backup secondary is over the shoulder and does not have a swivel and is the normal hogarhian/DIR configuration after watching the video.

 

[Nemrod]

I'm confused because in this video the alternate hose is coming over the right shoulder and there is no swivel. It's the standard doubles config that has worked well for ages.

Did you mean to link a different video, or is there a timestamp that shows what you're describing?

You are right. I should have gone to full screen, I see that now. Thank you. I am a dummie. All the black gear makes everything hard to see, no excuse, sorry.

The question remains, now that I am thinking about it, aside from not being pure Hog (and I am Hog inspired), what would be the downside of tucking the secondary under arm on a swivel? I may try it next time I experiment, maybe something like a 30 inches hose would be correct. My thought was getting another item out of the breeze and tucked in behind something else, my shoulder, that cannot be tucked away. And possibly less likely to snag there.

I am pretty much Hog given I am 90% rec and 90% single tank and 99% ocean these days.

Not trying to reinvent Hogarthian, just thought I saw something I did not see. Oh well.

 

[tursiops]

I'm confused because in this video the alternate hose is coming over the right shoulder and there is no swivel. It's the standard doubles config that has worked well for ages.

Did you mean to link a different video, or is there a timestamp that shows what you're describing?

I see in the video the long hose primary as being wrapped so it comes over the right shoulder, and the backup alternate coming under the arm and on a swivel. But, hey, it is Trace, so anything could be happening.

 

[MarkA]

I see in the video the long hose primary as being wrapped so it comes over the right shoulder, and the backup alternate coming under the arm and on a swivel. But, hey, it is Trace, so anything could be happening.

At about 40 seconds into the video where it shows him swapping to the secondary. You can see it coming over the right shoulder.

 

[inquis]

My thought was getting another item out of the breeze and tucked in behind something else, my shoulder, that cannot be tucked away. And possibly less likely to snag there.

I would think it more likely to snag being relatively loose when coming from under the right arm. (Think about when in horizontal trim, with the "heavy" end on the necklace.) The long hose, OTOH, is kept from "drooping" by the hip anchor or tucked in the waistbelt and most of the weight supported by the back of the neck.

You could put a 90 or 120 deg elbow on the alternate (still coming over the right collar bone) and shorten up that hose to get it "out of the breeze". You can also route it a bit more forward coming off the 1st stage (reg-dependent, of course).