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munkispank

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Hi there,

I have read some great information, but want to pose one more question. My Husband and dive buddy visited his dentist today and has been referred to a specialist for a root canal. His appointment is july 18th and we will no tknow until he goes under the drill whether the tooth needs a root canal only, or a crown too.

The problem is, we have a trip planned for aug 6th.
Should he wait until after our trip before getting his referral done or can he dive that soon after a root canal?

FYI, he is in no pain, and hasn't had any, and the tooth is one of those forward molars.

Any advice would be appreciated- or if it looks bad- anyone wanna come to Bonaire for a week?

Jackie
 
Jackie,

It would be very bad for your husband to delay getting that work done due to serious health concerns. He will not, however, be able to dive for a minimum of a week after that!

Great! Now that's taken care of, when are we leaving for our week in beautiful Bonaire????

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Seriously, as long as the work is done properly, he should be able to dive even if they do the root canal. He should be on antibiotics, and if there is a temporary filling, it should withstand normal usage. Darn the bad luck!!!!!!!:wink:
 
thanks, Hopefully it will just be a canal and fill- if that is the case, he will have at least 2 clear weeks before diving.

However, if they want the two visits and a crown, he will be with a temp crown, with i assuming a soild filling in the canal hole- and not that wadding. I think he will have to evaluate the situation re diving when he is there.
I would hate for him to choke on a temp crown 60 ft down

thanks again

jackie
 
You have quite a list of professions on your profile, but I didn't see dentist among them.

As such, I am referring the question to our Dental Regulator, Dr. Larry Stein.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
I've been diving since December with (an abominably botched up!) temporary crown in place. Hopefully it will be replaced by a permanent one this coming Friday.

Talk to your dentist. Talk to your dentist a lot. Ask him a lot of questions. Make sure you get a satisfactory answer. Fire him and find a new dentist if he is not willing to discuss your concerns.

Dr. Stein (whom I have nothing but praise for, by the way) can give you general advice at best. He is a stranger on the Internet. He hasn't looked inside your husband's mouth or seen his x-rays. The dentist you pay to look after your teeth should be able to handle this for you.
 
munkispank,

Hi Jackie,

I am not debating the actual need for a root canal...as long as it is indicated. An asympomatic tooth that has no cold, hot or pressure sensitivity could well be chronically inflammed and as such a root canal is in order.

On the otherhand, if the tooth needs a root canal because there is little left to place a cap may, in fact, have a vital, healty nerve.

The restorative dentist's concern may be that in the event of a crown preparation, there will be nothing left to restore...unless the nerve chamber and/or canal is used to hold an endo post and core.

It the x-ray shows a "spot" or "radiolucency" is suggestive of an abscess then the risk of a barodontalgia is increased because the nerve and blood supply is possibly compromised to that tooth.

Logistically, a root canal immediately prior to travel is problematic. If it is completed in one visit and there is no pain, with a proper temporary filling, the tooth may be no problem. On the otherhand, if the tooth requires multiple visits, is still uncomfortable following the treatment, your trip could be a nightmare.

Have the root canal specialists do an electrical pulp test to determine vitality (live nerve). If the nerve tests alive and within normal limits, it would be my inclination to leave any treatment, be it root canal therapy or crown preparations to be done on your return. The other choice is to do only the root canal and use a solid temporary material within the access opening. DO NOT START THE CAP until you return. It is too easy to swallow or worse, aspirate. No cotton or hollow space should be left under the temporary filling and a hard, permanent cement or filling material should be used to fill in the opening--this won't trap air or come out.

If the tooth tests non-vital, a root canal is the wisest course.

BTW, there are two other clinical entities that mimic an abscessed tooth. In the lower bicuspid area there is and opening in the jaw bone called the Mental Foramen. It often appears at the end of an otherwise normal tooth and appears suspicious. Taking another x-ray from a different angle will usually produce a "shift" in the spot's position and is a clue that the spot is NOT associated with the end of the suspect tooth.

The other spot that can occur is the beginning of a cementoma. It starts as a dark spot and eventually gets light in density. They are benign and commonly appear at the root ends of the lower front teeth but other teeth may display the condition. The tooth will test normal to a vitality test.

Now for the clincher. This is something I cannot recommend but you or your husband may choose to do this. Do your dive trip without opening the tooth. Your are taking a risk and should realize this. However this is a very rare condition. In most cases, you will probably get away with it.

I know from correspondence that there is a skillful dentist on Bonaire capable of providing emergency treatment. I have corresponded with a diver who had to seek his help.

I will try to find out his name.

Remember I'm not recommending this course of action but I also understand the disappointment and financial loss failure to go on the trip may entail.

Good luck,


Laurence Stein DDS
:doctor:

BTW, antibiotics are only indicated if signs of infection are present NOT AS A PROPHYLACTIC treatment. If your husband has no pain, swelling, fever, etc, do not start antibiotics. If your dentist feels it is appropriate he can Rx an appropriate antibiotic and pain killer. They must be kept in the original prescription bottles with his name on them. Putting them into a pill case can get you into deep trouble.

In the event he must start these medications, DO NOT DIVE and see the local dentist. Finish the antibiotic rather than stop when feeling better.

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:wacko: Okay, folks! As may be noted from the excellent reply by our resident dentist, there is much more to consider in such a case than the superficial treatment given to the subject in my initial remarks.

To be honest, I had forgotten we had such an excellent resource available in Dr. Stein. I will add him to my "refer to" list from now on.

My assumption was, of course, that the dentist doing the treatment would, knowing the patient was going diving, schedule his work to prevent possible problems. We all remember what the word "assume" really means, however! A non-diving dentist might not make the same decisions that a diving dentist, such as our own Dr. Stein, would make.

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!;-0
 
hey thanks for the advice,

As it stands at the moment, after talking on the phone to both our dentist and the referral dentist, he will go for the appointment and get the work done. Hopefully it will be a one trip and we can get the solid fill with a temp filling on top and do the crown on our return. The advice given was really helpful and gives us some ideas to discuss with the dentist as I doubt he is familiar with diving considerations.

If it was me personally I would probably wait until after the trip, but then again I have a mouthful of root canals, crowns and fillings anyway so risking more wouldn't be an issue. My Husband on the other hand is less used to tooth problems and howls like a banshee at the smallest bit of pain.

I hope we can postpone the crown fitting until we return and get the solid fill- I take it this does not pose any additional risk?
This is just typical, this was to be our first diving vacation together outside of the US (we usually dive the keys) and a major money risk. But ultimately, If I am diving solo or befriending strangers to dive with, then so be it. My buddy will just have to take a damn good book!!!

thanks again for all the advice, and I will update this thread after he visits the dentist 7/18.
 
I put off getting a badly overdue double root canal last February on the theory that the pain was managable. I spent a week drawing dry cold air over bare screaming nerves.

The root canal was quick and painless by comparison.
 
Hey BigJetDriver69,

Speaking about assuming stuff.

I always ASSUME that when the plane is landing, that there is a runway in front of us. I also assume that you guys never pee cause I never see you walking around.

I also assume that when we take off or land that there is enough runway...that was not always the case at Grand Cayman Island. I can remember taking off to go home years ago and the pilot gunned the engines in a plane that had every seat filled and then some. He accelerated onto the gravel runout and made a hard left turn.

He continued to gun the plane. I heard the wheels return to their perpendicular position at about the same time as we crossed the opposite runout and ajacent water.

I think I'm gonna stop making these assumptions too.

Oh yeh...That stupid GPS moves much too slow on the seat back in the 777 when flying from Miami to Heathrow. I assume your's works better.:)


Larry Stein
 
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