Root Canal @ 100 ft. (ouch)

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pinkbubbles

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Depth and our teeth???
Just got back from a deep specialty class at the Blue Hole in NM.

5 Months ago I had root canal done in my upper/left last molar.
No troubles in other dives. 15-45 feet.
I spent a fair (the most allowed - would have stayed all day) amount of time at the maximum depth.
No problems with the depth. It was great.

But, lost the 'cap' and half of my tooth munching on a bagel two days ago.

I'm not blaming the depth, i'll do it again and again, I don't care if they all fall out. :upset:
hahaha.

Just wondering if the the pressure pushed the poor guy over the tooth limit?
 
I am no dentist but I have heard of folks having dental problems with fillings and caps due to bubbles expanding in their teeth.

This is some thing that I'd like to here more about.
 
HI Pink,

I emailed Dr Laurence Stein about your situation. Dr. Stein has answered several questions for us before and I am hoping he will be along soon to address you question.
 
I have more crowns and have had more root canals than Venezia (Venice, Italy...)

I've done 50 dives in the last year.

I've several dives over 100 fsw

No problems noted.

Your smileage may vary...

[Most of this dental work is over 20 years old]
 
Hi pinkbubbles,

While Boyle's law indeed can pop a cap if there is an air pocket in a root canal, your report does not make this high on the list of possible culprits.

You make no report of pain, either on this dive or previous dives, which almost surely would have occurred if you had an air pocket (45' is plenty deep enough to cause a problem). And, the cap fell off while chewing on a bagel two days after your deep dive specialty class.

Sounds more like simple cement failure to me, who knows nothing about endodontal medicine.

Of course, you'll need the cap replaced and should mention to the dentist that you are a diver.

Best of luck.

DocVikingo
 
Dear Pinkbubbles,

Ladydiver forwarded your question to me. I'm Dr. Laurence Stein, a dentist in the Miami area. I serve as a consultant to DAN and Scubadoc for dental questions.

First the official part:
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Ok, now on to the question. You indicate that you experienced no pain when the tooth/cap broke. That is because the nerve had already been removed.

Teeth need root canals for a variety of reasons. Almost invariably, the tooth, prior to the root canal, either was subjected to trauma which damaged the nerve or was previously restored with a large filling--possibly the second or third time it was restored.

Multiple restorations, deep restorations or caps on VITAL teeth may be considered to be traumatic. The nerve may die and a root canal is performed. Many teeth that have had medium to large amalgam (silver) fillings exhibit fractures--often deep enough to reach the nerve or cause the loss of a portion of the tooth--even exposing the nerve.

It is therefore not unreasonable to assume that your root canaled, capped tooth probably was filled prior to the cap and may have either hurt you or had broken in such a way that you needed the root canal and then the cap.

Once the nerve in a tooth is either dead or removed, the tooth becomes more brittle--becoming easier to break. This is the reason a cap is usually recommended following a root canal procedure--it is a stronger way to fix the tooth.

You indicate the restored tooth was the upper last molar. Teeth in this position of the mouth are subjected to the greatest biting forces. That's the place you will put something when you want to break it--like chewing on ice (not a good thing to do).

I would suspect that since the cap came off WITH part of the tooth in it, there was probably an undetected fracture in that tooth and it simply gave way during the dive. The bite tabs on your regulator may have been in contact with that tooth and you could have been bearing down with enough pressure to break the top of the tooth along with the overlying crown free and "presto!", you're holding the tooth in your hand.

You're fortunate you didn't aspirate the tooth and fortunately for you, the root canal meant you had little or no pain when it happened. Hopefully there is sufficient tooth remaining for your dentist to perform a post and core procedure and rebuild the tooth and then another crown (No you usually cannot use the same one over again). Have him double check for additional fractures which could render the tooth non restorable--unfortunately, they are not always visible.

The single most common reason for a root canal failure is putting off a final restoration. The cement around the filling material in the canals washes out in the saliva. So, fix your tooth quickly. It's important.

I cannot rule out the possibility that expanding gases under the crown didn't cause the problem, but the mechanics of the event are still the same. There had to be a weak area under the crown for the tooth to break off with the crown intact.

I hope this helps you understand what happened. If you have further questions you are welcome to contact me.

Regards and safe diving,

Laurence Stein, DDS
:doctor:
 
To all of you, you wouldn't believe the number of people who come into my office and report that they broke their tooth on...ready for this...BREAD! It makes a sticky paste and it often will pull out a previously fractured piece of tooth. I also see an increase in broken just after Holloween. I'll let you guys figure that one out.

Have a nice Turkey Day,

Laurence Stein, DDS:doctor:
 
I posted this yesterday, but I don't think I did it right. So, if this is a repeat, please disregard!

I have several crowns. I had to get six new front ones a few years ago. I had concerns about losing one to the ocean so discussed options with my dentist who, while not a diver, was concerned and worked with me for a solution. I suggested a plastic tray like those used for whitening teeth. My dentist agreed to make this for me though he was't convinced I'd lose a crown. Well, I lost a frontal crown at the airport shortly before flight time. I used toothpaste to hold the drown temporarily but I knew that certainly wouldn't work underwater. Thankfully, I had the plastic tray and it worked just fine till I was able to have a Canadian dentist on Grand Cayman bond the crown in place for me. Since I have beaucoup crowns, I always wear the plastic trays. The pressure has never been the issue. Crowns simply aren't always bonded permanently.

Aquafinna
 
Ondine:
I posted this yesterday, but I don't think I did it right. So, if this is a repeat, please disregard!

I have several crowns. I had to get six new front ones a few years ago. I had concerns about losing one to the ocean so discussed options with my dentist who, while not a diver, was concerned and worked with me for a solution. I suggested a plastic tray like those used for whitening teeth. My dentist agreed to make this for me though he was't convinced I'd lose a crown. Well, I lost a frontal crown at the airport shortly before flight time. I used toothpaste to hold the drown temporarily but I knew that certainly wouldn't work underwater. Thankfully, I had the plastic tray and it worked just fine till I was able to have a Canadian dentist on Grand Cayman bond the crown in place for me. Since I have beaucoup crowns, I always wear the plastic trays. The pressure has never been the issue. Crowns simply aren't always bonded permanently.

Aquafinna

Hey Aquafinna,

I have to admit that you had me confused for a moment...Here was a thread that I didn't remember and I didn't have any recent PM's from Ladydiver...then I checked the date. There is no rule on the Board that says you have to ask your question by adding it to a really old thread. Just post a new one.

It seems you really lucked out...the plastic tray "saved you". If I were a betting dentist, I would have said that you WOULD need a plastic tray to help maintain your caps would have been a snowball's chance in H*LL. Now I would have to eat my words.

There are all kinds of cements used inside crowns. Most of the older cements work by simply filling the space between the crown and the tooth. The space is typically about 50 microns. Putting something hard between the crown and prepared tooth kind of wedges the restoration in place. There is no adhesive quality to that cement.

Now-a-days, modern cements not only fill the space but can actually bond to both the crown material and the tooth structure. While these can create a much stronger union, they are also more technique sensitive. Any little bit of blood, saliva or moisture may render the bond ineffective and lead to a future cementation failure.

You called you front restorations crowns but in layman's terms a crown could be anything from a porcelain jacket to a porcelain laminate veneer. The type of cement used would be different for some of the different possibilities.

A veneer would come off very easily if there was a poor bond in the cementation. These are typically "bonded" onto the front surface of the tooth.

A porcelain jacket or porcelain fused to metal crown surrounds the tooth and is less likely to be "bonded" on to the tooth. If the cement loosens under one of these, the restoration can be still rather difficult to remove because the cement may still wedge it on.

Some of the newer all ceramic crowns have a precision machined zirconia core (kind of like the porcelain on a spark plug) and are covered by more traditional porcelain. For any of you out there that has a knife with a ceramic blade, this is the type of stuff the blade is made of. It is very hard, very strong and very smooth.

These are exceedingly strong but the zirconia's smooth texture really cannot be etched or sandblasted to increase the surface area for cementation. The result is that sometimes, these can slip off...leaving the underlying prepared tooth completely covered with a layer of the hardened cement.

No matter what your crowns were made of, it is my opinion, that if a cementation fails quickly, i.e., immediately to a year, the most likely culprit is technique. This not to say your dentist didn't know what he was doing. Instead, he could have looked away for just a second during cementation, just as, perhaps, you fought back the urge to swallow, and the little squirt gun under your tongue sprayed a drop of saliva onto the back of the tooth to be cemented. As soon as he put the crown with cement onto the tooth, the saliva spread entirely around the prepared tooth, under the cement and prevented a good union to the tooth.

This kind of thing happens to the best of us. All we can do it try to minimize the posibility.

Here is an interesting article about dental cements and diving. It indicates that with repeated cycles to depth, a degradation of cement strength may occur. The formatting for the data tables does not "cut and paste" properly. I think you get the gist of the article though.

Glad everything worked out OK on GC.

OOPS! The article makes this answer too long. I'm gonna post it in the next reply.

Regards,

Laurence Stein, DDS
 

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