Regs for deco gas (40-100% O2)

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An O2 clean diaphragm reg, in the strictest sense of the word, is a bit of an oxymoron as the large diaphragm is a fuel source that is far larger than the sum total of o-rings (nitrile, EPDM or Viton) found in it or in anything else.

Also, a diaphragm reg is not the best choice for a deco bottle that is for the most part carried unpressurized as if it floods, it is more likely to suffer problems than a piston reg when re-pressurized. If it is sufficiently flooded, the non compressible water driven by the high pressure air entering the reg may rupture the diaphragm before the excess pressure can be vented through the second stage. What you get then is a large popping sound and a non functional regulator. In contrast, the internal portions of a piston first stage are equally incompressible and far less likely to be damaged.

My personal preference is to use unbalanced flow by piston first stages for deco applications. They are flood tolerant and by design have no high pressure areas past the seat and in general have very few o-rings making them relatively O2 freindly regardless of the o-ring material used. The two dynamic o-rings in the first stage are also in intermediate pressure areas and as such are not exposed to the extremely high PPO2's found at tank pressures.

Performance wise they are not exceptional, but are more than adequate for the depths where high pecentage O2 will be use (70' or less). One other advantage is that the inhalation effort goes up noticeable as the tank pressure falls below about 300 psi, so you are never surprised by a deco bottle going dry.

Scubapro uses EPDM o-rings and Christolube as standard in the Mk 2 Plus so it is already in the ballpark regarding having the potential to be O2 cleaned for use with 100% O2 in addition to being a "flow by" unbalanced piston design. Plus the design is about as simple and bullet proof as you can get, making it a good choice for a first stage that has to work every time.
 
So, what regulator(s) do you use on your deco bottles? Were they O2 clean and ready for use with high O2 percentages out of the box, or did you have to have them O2 cleaned?
I use Apeks AT20s, had them cleaned for deco use.
 
My personal preference is to use unbalanced flow by piston first stages for deco applications. They are flood tolerant and by design have no high pressure areas past the seat and in general have very few o-rings making them relatively O2 freindly regardless of the o-ring material used. The two dynamic o-rings in the first stage are also in intermediate pressure areas and as such are not exposed to the extremely high PPO2's found at tank pressures.

Do you have any concerns about flow by piston regs in cold water? I know that's one reason I hear from a lot of guys around here for using diaphragm regs for deco.
 
Do you have any concerns about flow by piston regs in cold water? I know that's one reason I hear from a lot of guys around here for using diaphragm regs for deco.
The Mk 2 Plus works very well in cold water. Unitl the sealed Mk 17 came along the Mk 2 was a popular SP reg for ice divers and PSD's in the frozen north. It is not sealed, but has excellent heat transfer and the flow rate does not overwhelm the TIS system the way it does on the much higher flow Mk 25.

You can freeze one up, but you have to work at it. More importantly, the cure for a frozen reg is to shut it off for a couple minutes until it thaws. This is very easily done on a deco stop by just switching back to back gas for a minute or two as the valve is right there in front of you and is easy to turn off and on. Alternatively, if you have no other gas, or want to stay on your deco gas, you can operate the valve manually and stop the freeflow anyway. With a little water flow over the first stage while manually operating the valve, the reg will still thaw in a couple minutes. So in the unlikely event you do have a freeze flow on a deco reg, it is not a big deal.

In contrast, flooding a depressurized diaphragm reg and then blowing the diaphragm when you pressurize it could be a very big deal as it could cause the reg to stop delivering gas at all.

So in effect, divers choosing a diaphrahm deco reg over an unsealed and unbalanced flow by piston reg have good intentions but are not thinking things through. They are consequently trading a reg for which there is effective remedial action in the event of a freeze up in very cold water for a reg that could be flooded in any temperature water and potentially develop a problem for which there is no effective remedial action.

In my opinion, it's a no brainer.
 
I have recently learned another reason that piston regs are preferred to diahparm regs for pure O2 - there are few bends and turns in the flow path as such less chance for adiabatic heating and ignition.
 
I have used several in the past, I now own 2 deco regs, an OMS deco reg that was factory prepped for O2, and a used Dive Rite RG2500 that was O2 cleaned by a reputable dealer. I have had to use a backup reg in a pinch, an Oceanic alpha 8, that served the purpose very well. The OMS second stage broke on it's first outing in cave country, It's not nearly as robust as I was hoping. I'm going to replace it with a alpha 8 second stage to make it a better combo. I really like the OMS 1st stage, very streamlined and simple.

I have been told that the Titan and Legend from aqualung are now able to be minimally prepped for O2 service. Earl has some used titans for sale pretty cheap, just a thought.
 
i was always told regs had to be balanced reg on deco bottles did not matter piston or diaphragm.

What is the reasoning behind this?
 
Ya, I'm curious about that as well. If anything, unbalanced regs are best for deco since it will most likely be used at shallower depths (70ft and shallower). I'm w/ DA on this one. I use a simple, unbalanced piston reg (OMS Workhorse). It's cheap, reliable, small, and it comes 100% O2 clean from the factory.
 
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