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ScubaJoy65

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Not sure where to post this question, so I'm putting it here. What are reef rules for boats? If a dive boat pulls up to a site and a fisherman is casually fishing it, is there a "rule" for the boats to follow re: who should stay or go?

To read more about why I'm asking this check out my post called "Confrontational Fisherman" on my blog at Reef Rants.
 
Not sure where to post this question, so I'm putting it here. What are reef rules for boats? If a dive boat pulls up to a site and a fisherman is casually fishing it, is there a "rule" for the boats to follow re: who should stay or go?

To read more about why I'm asking this check out my post called "Confrontational Fisherman" on my blog at Reef Rants.

I don't know if there is a set 'rule' per se, but I would not be very pleased if I were sitting there in my boat and another came and parked on top of me, set out a dive flag and then wondered why I didn't move the required 50 feet from it. The ocean is a large place certainly, but if someone is already sitting on a part of it...I would think it my responsibility to find another part for my activities.
 
I'd have to agree with, first person there gets the spot. If the fisherman was at the location and you saw him from a distance, you should just pick another site. On the other hand, if I'm at a dive site and a fishing boat comes along I would expect him to do the same, i.e. pick a different location.

Darrell
 
I don't know if there is a set 'rule' per se, but I would not be very pleased if I were sitting there in my boat and another came and parked on top of me, set out a dive flag and then wondered why I didn't move the required 50 feet from it. The ocean is a large place certainly, but if someone is already sitting on a part of it...I would think it my responsibility to find another part for my activities.

I'm pretty sure you cannot do this. The law about keeping 50 feet from a dive flag is most likely written in such a way as to negate this possibility. The wording would have something like "you must keep 50 feet from an ESTABLISHED diver down flag." Or possibly, "YOU must not MOVE within 50 feet of a diver down flag."

I've dealt with enough lawyers to know they stay up at night thinking about things like this.
 
I read your article, and in it you say the Atlantic is such a big space why can't it be shared? Well, that question should actually be posed to you. If you pulled up to his boat and dropped anchor why would you expect him to be anything close to friendly? Could you not have anchored 100 or 200 ft away and had the same dive experience? If you were diving a wreck I suppose not, but otherwise I would have done the same thing in his position. He was fishing and you were going to jump in on all of his spooky fish. I guess it boils down to, if the ocean is so big, pick another spot.
 
I had a similar but better experience this past weekend. We were in Boynton Beach and had planned to dive a wreck called the Budweiser Bar. When we approached the wreck, a small boat of fisherman was anchored above it fishing. So, we moved along a short ways and dove the Captain Tony instead.

As the others said, "first come, first served". Respect and communication go along ways.
 
Vessels at anchor have right of way. It's really as simple as that (unless it's a drift, which is another story). Still, I can't leave it there, can I? :)

We do our checkouts out of Panama City Beach, Florida, where there are more than a few sites. That said, it is often the case that only a subset of them will be very dive-friendly. The silty water coming out of the bay can drop the viz to levels that make checkout dives problematic. Additionally, some of the sites are more useful for students' first saltwater dives. (The truss bridge spans they've sunk out there are great, as we can keep the basic students "riding the rails" on the top, where it's very difficult for them to get lost or deep.)

Anyway, on one trip out there, we ran into a belligerent fisherman. He was fishing on a bridge span, anchored to the in-shore end. We went to tie in to the off-shore end (as it's certainly big enough for the both of us). He started his engine and raced to cut us off. We went to another side, and he cut us off there, too. (His language was not such that I will repeat it here.) After some... discussion... he said he was going to call the marine patrol, to which our captain answered that he already had (or something along those lines). All in all a wonderful situation thanks to a most likely drunk fisherman with strange ideas about us "scaring off all the fish". (For the record, the fish don't seem to care about divers, unless for some reason you're trying to catch a nurse shark or a goliath grouper.)

On another occasion (at the same span, actually), a couple guys were out fishing. We approached and explained the situation (that we really couldn't bring the students anywhere else given the conditions and profiles). We even offered coordinates for some other sites which usually have much better fishing than the spans. The guy graciously (if understandably a bit less than completely enthusiastically) said that he'd pull his anchor and let us have the span. When he tried to pull it, however, he found that the anchor was fouled. We sent our boat's divemaster down, freeing his anchor, and sending them along their way.

You know, he was quite a bit happier as he left. I suppose he realized that had he not been gracious and yielded the site, he would've lost an anchor to the wreck. (Okay, I was just *slightly* bummed that he hadn't, as I'm usually the one who comes up with lost anchors. ;)) He was nice about the site, and so, he had friends around to go down and give him a hand. Just goes to show, you should always be nice to divers. :D

(Of course, there have been many occasions where we've gone out to dive a site and found people out there fishing. The normal procedure, when conditions allow, is to pull up the waypoint screen and pick another site.)

What really bugs the tar out of me, on the other hand, are those few occasions we've had when our boat is tied in to a wreck and along comes another dive boat. We don't do our checkouts off six-packs. Sometimes, we may have two dozen divers (or more). It's hard enough to manage three class groups of six students each (with instructor and divemaster per group), timing the entries to try to keep only one group on the line at a time. Throw in another boat sending divers down onto a small site and it becomes... well, let's just say that it's not the most relaxing thing in the world to keep my group together and distinct. :biggrin:
 
Not too long ago I was on the other end of such a conflict. I was fishing a small wreck on an artificial reef (the Pipe Barge) when a boat came along side me and asked if there was enough room. Normally this would not be a problem if he was fishing as we were. I had 4 friends on board and we were enjoying some decent fishing. Then I noticed he anchored in front of me. I thought it was odd knowing his fishhooks could not possibly be on the piece. Then the dive flag went up and the divers went down. Immediately the fishing shut down. My friends who were visiting form down south were very upset.
Now, if this wasn't bad enough, it put me in a delima. I thought I would just leave. But I cannot pull my anchor without the use of my engines however starting them would put me in violation of the law with his dive flag up (not to mention this idiot actually anchored over my anchor line).
I called the coast guard. They were feeling lazy that day and told me to tell the other boat to get the divers out of the water and lower the flag... Not likely.
Courtesy dictates, first come first serve and don't be sneaky.

It IS a big ocean but only with the proper dose of courtesy.
 

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