recreational drugs and diving...????

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Thanks for all the input on this subject matter.

Yes its true to dive whilst under the influence is obviously not good, the fact is that some drugs will have an effect on the system for several days. which in turn is catching divers out.I feel more needs to be known on these subjects so people can have it explained why this is bad not just the blanket term of dont do it.
After all we are all adults and have freedom of choice for lifestyles. Its well known the effects of alcohol and diving so in this day and age why is it so hard to get real answears on drug use.
So thanks for all your input.

Dorset boy great to hear from you what you up to in Scotland still Diving i hope......

Cheers Gary
 
Gazzahawkes,

Why bother? They are going to do what they want anyway. They are no longer children and they KNOW what they're doing. Further they don't give a sh+t about what their actions may do to others. whether it be diving or any multitude of other activities! You can call it recreational, I'll call it what it is...reckless when it affects the safety of other innocent, unknowing persons.

In the years I owned and operated charter fishing and dive boats I have always made it clear in pre-dearture captain's briefings-no drugs. I have made it clear that I would not have my boat and equipment seized and if they still chose to bring drugs aboard they were going to get busted. Recreational drug use my a**!

Regards,
 
lamont:
Anywhere that scuba medicine suggests against excersize combined with scuba also applies equally well with taking stimulants like MDMA. I would expect increased bubble formation and increased DCS risk just like from excertion.
Also, I would expect the effects of fairly recent MDMA usage that lead to disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) to strongly increase the chance of DCI. Considering the fact that divers are incouraged to drink a lot, wouldn't dilutional hyponaetremia be a further risk with recent MDMA use?

All this apart from the heatstroke (DIC again) and heart failure problems you've already mentioned.

I guess DocVikingo and Saturation would be the best fellows to reply to Gazza's questions. Perhaps someone should PM them?

You've certainly done the homework on your occasional habit, Lamont, but though I admire the intellectual effort involved, frankly - and I mean no personal disrespect - I'd never dive with you or your friends.

Just call it my personal preference.
 
I can't speak about the other drugs much.. a stoner diver would probably just mellow to death... the coke head would swim the english channel... mdma, dehydrate and die.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml intersting reads... I broke up with my ex when she tried that stuff and I've never regretted it. I saw her 2 years later and she's definitely not the person I knew. It releases stuff in your brain that its not even sure you can gain back.

The thing with some of it is that onces its loose in the blood stream it takes time to absorb.. mdma is 24+ hours, thc's are about 24-30 hours, etc.. by diving and adding pressure to that, it would increase the absorbsion rate and possibly give a second high.
 
Hi All.

This is a strange thread. First, these comments are more valid in the USA and its territories but they can apply to all countries. It addresses the effects of drugs on diving and on dive boats, as the effects of many kinds of recreational drugs are too numerous to detail.

Immoral:

Taking mind altering drugs while diving is irresponsible to the buddy, and the entire crew of the boat. You need to be cognizant to follow the rules of diving, just as much as driving on roads. Should trouble arise, both buddy, crew and possibly the Coast Guard will put themselves at some risk to rescue the intoxicated. If the intoxicated diver gets away with it diving under the influence because s/he 'can deal with it', no problem, but as you can only die once, its a completely avoidable risk. The degree of mind alteration varies with drugs, LSD is worse that cocaine for example, as LSD produces hallucinations. But morally, the intoxicated diver has no right to involve the buddy or boat in his/her choice of entertainment unless the boat and the buddy are aware of it too. If so then ... its

Illegal:

Possession of recreational drugs is Federally and locally illegal, but is not as strictly enforced in land or in private dwellings by local police, but the USCG will throw the book at you if found on boats. Even if drugs are not found, a case can me made that it is found, inside the body of the intoxicated after a drug screen. USCG is known for very strict enforcement on illegal drugs. Since a case can be made that the drugs are owned or sanctioned by the boat captains, the captain could loose his license and his boat, while the intoxicated can get a fine or suspended sentence. Even if not so, enough doubt can be made to impound the boat pending an investigation. Most USCG approved boats will usually enforce their own brand of justice not because they care about US law, Captain and crew could well use same drugs on land too after hours, but because the presence of drugs threatens their boats.

http://www.sailorlaw.com/recboat.html

Toxic:

As far as the effects of various recreational drugs, the toxicity and effect varies with dose. For the most part, like all drugs they have side effects. This is not a major concern at the moment of the dive, say if it gives a toxic hepatitis, that's the users problem. What matters more is the altered mental state that reduces the reliability of the intoxicated diver in making rational judgments for the safety of himself and the buddy. Other effects maybe inconsequential on the surface: stumbling on the street, eating garbage, hallucinating or vomiting are less a problem than if the same desires were to occur underwater: unable to maintain buoyancy, unable to control ascent, unable to watch gauges, attempting to eat or destroy coral, vomiting etc., produce more hazards because of the water. Of course, the danger is worse the deeper you go.

So long as the intoxicated person injures only himself and pays for his own care, I don't have any concerns. However, as the US and the rest of the world moves towards government paid for health care insurance, all members of society will pay for rescuing and curing the intoxicated person's excesses, and it will show in your tax dollars. Thus, s/he may be having "fun" at your expense.

Further, the world is full of those who claim they can 'handle' drugs. I believe they can, most of the time, and so long as the instances they can't handle it doesn't affect anyone else. Alas, again, you can only die or kill someone once, and there are a lot of DWI and dead kids around, not a major volume I might add, who are dead because of people who thought they could handle it.

http://www.madd.org/home/
 
BigJetDriver69:
Doc Sat,

Well said, sir! Well said!

BJD
Yep... well said.
Same thing I said over three months ago... Y'all are just using more words.
Rick :)
 
Rick Murchison:
Yep... well said.
Same thing I said over three months ago... Y'all are just using more words.
Rick :)

Yes, Rich yours is the 'executive summary.' And pretty much what I wrote is in what other's wrote too. I didn't think a reply was necessary until I read more posts discussing the pharmacologic effects of recreational drugs. Since you really shouldn't do recreational drugs and dive, discussing what it does on the surface and then at depth really becomes moot. Otherwise, the thread was more an exercise on finding out how bad a bad thing can be.
 
Wow ,
Once again thanks for all the input,It seems that the generall opinon is dont do it well thats obvious.
Cudabait the reason why I bother is quite simply on informing some younger mis guided divers the real reasons why drugs are not accepted while diving, has changed there habits and lifestyle for the better.
It has also made my neuro testing more accurate due to the fact i can now understand the mechanisim and effects of drugs and tell easier what the state of play is.
The approach has had to change younger people need to be aware unfourtunatly drugs have become acceptable in a lot of social circles and the dive industry needs to address this problem through education not just a blanket your wrong dont do it.....

Personally I agree with most that if you dive on drugs your asking for dcs, problems with diagnosis and problems with treatment.As well as the fact that you endanger not just yourselves but OTHERS..........

Cheers Gary
 
gazzahawkes:
...Cudabait the reason why I bother is quite simply on informing some younger mis guided divers the real reasons why drugs are not accepted while diving, has changed there habits and lifestyle for the better.
It has also made my neuro testing more accurate due to the fact i can now understand the mechanisim and effects of drugs and tell easier what the state of play is.
You're right, education tends to be more effective than castigation.
Don't know about your area, but on this side of the pond one can find classes that outline ways to recognize the often subtle signs displayed by someone under the influence of the various drugs you listed.
 

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