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a little about me.... recently certified open water, nitrox and peak performance buoyancy. with 7 total dives. I am planning on going diving at least two weekends a month.

1) I understand how it is bad to hold your breath if you are ascending, but why is it bad to hold it underwater? (if you are not ascending)

2) Is purchasing a tank worth the trouble? cost effective?

3) I am planning on buying a GoPro, if I buy the flatlens and install it. Will that negatively affect the picture quality out of the water? I am asking because I am planning on using the gopro for skydiving too.

4) I got a zeagle stilleto bcd, used. this guy at a dive shop told me I am missing some weight mesh bags that I am supposed to put inside the weight pockets. he said it should have come with the bcd, is that true? after looking online and couldn't find anything regarding that.

5) is it bad to workout after diving? i.e. go to the gym for a couple of hours and run a couple of miles or swim?

6) how many dives until a new diver should give advanced open water a shot?
 
a little about me.... recently certified open water, nitrox and peak performance buoyancy. with 7 total dives. I am planning on going diving at least two weekends a month.

1) I understand how it is bad to hold your breath if you are ascending, but why is it bad to hold it underwater? (if you are not ascending)

2) Is purchasing a tank worth the trouble? cost effective?

3) I am planning on buying a GoPro, if I buy the flatlens and install it. Will that negatively affect the picture quality out of the water? I am asking because I am planning on using the gopro for skydiving too.

4) I got a zeagle stilleto bcd, used. this guy at a dive shop told me I am missing some weight mesh bags that I am supposed to put inside the weight pockets. he said it should have come with the bcd, is that true? after looking online and couldn't find anything regarding that.

5) is it bad to workout after diving? i.e. go to the gym for a couple of hours and run a couple of miles or swim?

6) how many dives until a new diver should give advanced open water a shot?

1) Probably for the habit as much as anything. Just remember that you can pause your breathing without closing your throat.
2) Depends on how often you dive local as much as anything. If you dive infrequently or travel to dive, probably not so wise financially. The cost benefit for me also factors in that each dive is only one trip for a fill instead of two for pickup and dropoff, and that I can go on a whim as there are always full tanks waiting to go.
3) I don't think so (still haven't got my flat lens) but a replacement case is cheap anyway, so if you don't like the result you can just get a second case.
4) My LDS told me last weekend that the mesh pocket was an accessory. I don't own one, so can't say for sure though.
5) Everything I have read here suggests yes. You should wait a while.
6) When you feel comfortable enough with the basics to actually focus on learning something new. It is different for everyone.

Welcome to the addiction!
 
1) I understand how it is bad to hold your breath if you are ascending, but why is it bad to hold it underwater? (if you are not ascending)
Never hold your breath.
If you go up, you know, gas in your lungs will expand and could break your lungs.
If you go down, gas in your lungs will compress (like free diving). Once you breath, gas that comes from the regulator 2nd stage will enter to a higher pressure and could also cause some hurt.
When you are diving, unless you are good at situation awareness, you could go down and up without noticing and if you hold your breath, you can get hurt.
Besides, hoding your breath, rises your CO2 accumulation and this will require more breaths to remove it.


2) Is purchasing a tank worth the trouble? cost effective?
Not for me. If you go diving a week end 3 tanks per day, you need to recharge it to only use your tank. If a compressor is ready available, ok, but most of dive boat have no compressor on board, so you will use your tank only once a day, The second and third dive will be with LDS tanks, rented.


3) I am planning on buying a GoPro, if I buy the flatlens and install it. Will that negatively affect the picture quality out of the water? I am asking because I am planning on using the gopro for skydiving too.
I pass with this.


4) I got a zeagle stilleto bcd, used. this guy at a dive shop told me I am missing some weight mesh bags that I am supposed to put inside the weight pockets. he said it should have come with the bcd, is that true? after looking online and couldn't find anything regarding that.
BCD with weight integrated system, normally does not come with weights.
I think the guy was refering to soft weights. You should buy them separate or use normal hard weights. Normally every LDS or dive boats have weights available, so, unless you thinks it´s wise for you, do not buy weights. Also it depends how you get to the dive site. If you go by car or bus, carrying your weights is OK, but if you have to fly, carrying your weights is a nonsense.


5) is it bad to workout after diving? i.e. go to the gym for a couple of hours and run a couple of miles or swim?
You should allow several hours before doing stress workout. Your body has still nitrogen in your tissues and you should allow the nitrogen to be removed by respiration.
It's like buying a Coke, shake it and open, all the bubbles will spray you. It's the same with your body.


6) how many dives until a new diver should give advanced open water a shot?
It depends on the certification agency. In my case with SSI, I needed 4 specialties and 24 logged dives to get my AOWD certification.
 
Chris,

Welcome to diving!

An "engaged" diver will always have questions.

IMHO a diver should pursue AOW after 20-25 non training dives.
 
I'll just answer a couple of the questions, as most of your issues have already been well-answered.

2. Purchasing a tank. - I try to dive every week, and try to get four dives each weekend, and I get the tanks filled at the end of each dive day. I own two tanks (two steel 100s, costing $450 total - Al80s would be much cheaper). An air card costs me $160 for an entire year of unlimited air fills. For me, it's totally worth it. The air card pays itself off after under 20 dives, and the tanks pay themselves off after about 40 dives (depends on your LDS price, of course).

Thus, if you're planning on doing 20+ dives per year and 40+ dives for the next few years, I think two tanks would be worth the money.

5. Working out - My baseline that I've used based on reading these boards is at least six hours of surface interval before an intense workout after diving. Of course, for shore diving, you're going to be carrying your gear and walking a bit, but that's not what's considered that intense.

6. AOW - I did my AOW with 15 dives, and I think between 15-30 dives is a good amount. By then, you're more comfortable with the water and you've grown better at task loading. The skills you learn in AOW (with relevant specialties) are important enough that you should learn them early in your diving career, though.
 
Agree with gcarter and emorelra on the above.

1) I understand how it is bad to hold your breath if you are ascending, but why is it bad to hold it underwater? (if you are not ascending)

The only thing that I can think of adding is to not confuse breathing "at the top" of your lungs or "at the bottom of your lungs" with "holding your breath." Like gcarter said, don't close your throat, and you'll be fine. But for buoyancy purposes, it makes sense to breathe "at the top" or "at the bottom" so long as you're not holding it. :)

2) Is purchasing a tank worth the trouble? cost effective?

Generally, if you have to ask, no. It does save you a return trip, though, to drop them off. This can be a big issue if the closest dive shop to you is an hour away. What the posters above said! :)

3) I am planning on buying a GoPro, if I buy the flatlens and install it. Will that negatively affect the picture quality out of the water? I am asking because I am planning on using the gopro for skydiving too.

Ah, here's something I can add... :) There's one sitting on my desk right now that I've been using, even though it's not mine. :) My buddy will probably read this and want it back. :)

It seems that GoPro owners are talking a lot about the flat lens - especially the divers. I haven't visited the GoPro forums to see what sort of advantage they think a flat lens will bring them, but it seems counterproductive to me to seek a flat lens for underwater use, based on my experience with several of my own cameras, and now my buddy's GoPro.

Underwater, as light passes through the water, through a flat lens, and through the air before hitting your eyes or a camera's sensor/film, there is a magnification of about 25% and a "zoom" of about 30%. That is, when you shoot with a flat lens camera, everything looks bigger and closer than it does topside... Just like it does when you're wearing a mask. A domed port helps to offset this, as it "zooms out" and demagnifies and gives a "wide angle" view. This wide angle is one of the things that makes the GoPro such a terrific little camera... Especially when underwater (to help counter the natural zoom) and whenever doing extreme sports like skiing and snowboarding and mountain biking and skydiving. The wide angle simply lets you see more... And motion seems more distinct than it does with a flat lens.

My buddy is calling the wide angle view a "blur," which isn't what it really is... But I assume that he's gotten that from the GoPro forums or something, where there is apparently a general concensus that a flat lens - which would "un-wide angle" the camera like a common digital camera - would be a benefit.

This is not the case if you're shooting underwater - or whereever you want to minimize the effects of shaking and broaden the viewing angle, like with extreme sports. With a flat lens, the camera would also be a lot more sensitive of where it's pointed, since the angle is less wide.

No... For skydiving and underwater use, keep the domed port. Normally, camera guys pay big bucks to add them to their systems. The fact that the GoPro already comes with one installed is the whole point of the GoPro.

If you are going to use a flat lens, you might as well just shoot video using your cell phone... At least for skydiving anyway. Try it - that'll give you a good feel for why you'll want to keep the domed port.

5) is it bad to workout after diving? i.e. go to the gym for a couple of hours and run a couple of miles or swim?

No. :) If it was, then we'd all be in a lot of trouble swimming back to the boat or dock or whatever. Respiration and circulation are what rids body tissues of residual nitrogen, and increasing them only serves to increase the speed at which residual nitrogen is dissolved and expelled. The concept of "no exercise after diving" is a wive's tale. if it wasn't, Navy Divers, SEALS and submerged assault forces would be in a lot of trouble for running and shooting and generally "exercising" after long dives.

6) how many dives until a new diver should give advanced open water a shot?

Go for it when you feel confident to learn more. Most experienced divers consider "Open Water" and "Advanced" as complimentary, and sort of "part 1" and "part 2" of the same course anyway, and there is no minimum number of dives that the agencies require, so... Do it as soon as you feel ready.
 
If you are gonna get a gopro camera for diving you will need a flat lens.
I have 3 of them.
If you don't it will look very blurry. There's No way around it.
It is a flaw in the gopro lens and can't be fixed unless you have the flat lens.
gopro is coming out with their own flat lens housing soon.
The best lens setup in my opinion is the SRP Blurfix.
The good thing about the SRP blurfix is that you can take the flat lens off and use different filters and you can still use gopro's OEM lens for above water stuff.
 
This is really cool that I can talk to someone about this. I am very curious why everyone keeps asking about a flat lens for underwater use when the rest of the world is paying big bucks for a domed port.

...And I'm really curious what everyone means by "blur."

Here's a video that my buddy shot of me a few weeks ago, using a standard domed port... I don't see anything wrong with it - in fact, the domed port does a very nice job "unzooming" underwater images, IMHO. Care to tell me what this "blur" is? What am I missing?

 
That video is blurry compared to what it would look like if you had a flat lens.
To me it is more of a hazy look.
If you go on YouTube and look up gopro comparison videos of flat lens vs not you will see the difference.
It should be very clear and not hazy.
 

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