RB Cert

[O2BBubbleFree]

Hi all,

I'm interested in getting a ccr for 'recreational' (no deco) diving.

What prerequisites are requird by rb cert agencies before seeking rb training? Is there a 'recreational' cert available, or are they all tech centered?

Thanks

 

[padiscubapro]

Hi all,

I'm interested in getting a ccr for 'recreational' (no deco) diving.

What prerequisites are requird by rb cert agencies before seeking rb training? Is there a 'recreational' cert available, or are they all tech centered?

Thanks

traditionally you'll need something equivalent to an advanced nitrox rating..

So with TDI, IANTD ect you need to take nitrox and Advanced nitrox with ANDI, CSU would fit the requirements.

Most agencies allow you to take the required nitrox training along with the CCR training.. Its easier though to take them seperate and give yourself time to absorb all of the info.


The first CCR clas you will take is a recreational class, technical ratings on CCRs require additional experience and additional training.

 

[caveseeker7]

Actually, no matter what your open circuit cert level is, when you get initially certified for a rebreather all you can get is recreational (profiles) level.

Prerequisits depend on both the agency and the rebreather (usually the type rather than the model). You would have to check that with the instructor.

In my case, NAUI training for the Prism CCR, it was 50 dives and nitrox cert. That's probably the minimum for any rebreather. I have to clock 100 hrs. in order to get trimix cert for the unit.

IIRC IANTD wants Advanced Nitrox for CCR, GUE required DIR-F & Tech1 for rec level RB80 training last time I asked (Oct '03 - they may have added Tech-2). With either agency I have no idea about the number of dives, and don't know about PADI, ANDI and TDI.

But there are several instructors here on the forum that'll be able to tell you the requirements for their agencies.

Add-ited: Joe beat me to the post.
It's ANDI's CSU training that I took in preparation for the CCR class.

 

[padiscubapro]

Actually, no matter what your open circuit cert level is, when you get initially certified for a rebreather all you can get is recreational (profiles) level.

Prerequisits depend on both the agency and the rebreather (usually the type rather than the model). You would have to check that with the instructor.

In my case, NAUI training for the Prism CCR, it was 50 dives and nitrox cert. That's probably the minimum for any rebreather. I have to clock 100 hrs. in order to get trimix cert for the unit.

IIRC IANTD wants Advanced Nitrox for CCR, GUE required DIR-F & Tech1 for rec level RB80 training last time I asked (Oct '03 - they may have added Tech-2). With either agency I have no idea about the number of dives, and don't know about PADI, ANDI and TDI.

But there are several instructors here on the forum that'll be able to tell you the requirements for their agencies.

Add-ited: Joe beat me to the post.
It's ANDI's CSU training that I took in preparation for the CCR class.

I only beat you by 5 minutes

For CCR programs the number of dives required do vary by agency.. I have seen the requirement for initial training as high as 100 dives..

BTW for SCR- specifically drager, ANDI has had an option for several years that allowed a new diver to learn entirely on the SCR no OC requirement..

 

[nitrojunkie]

I think you can simply do basic Nitrox and then do SCR training, which is the path I did. I would not recommend this. If you want to dive a rebreather it is worth doing whatever open circuit training is required to knock down the prerequisites to get certified on a CCR.

I was diving a Dolphin/SCR with around 100 dives under my belt, about 9 months after my Open Water Cert, with hindsight I think it was too soon. I realized later that the Advanced Nitrox training and experiences I had once I had logged about 200 dives was probably the correct level of experience that would have made better sense for myself. It is obviously different for each individual.

Had I waited, I also would never have bothered with SCR at all, diving CCR is far superior to SCR and I believe much safer. It sounds like you are planning on doing CCR from your post but I thought this might help in case the training path looks long. It is worth gaining the experience and training before changing over to a rebreather.

 

[Diver Mike]

I did my SCR Training with TDI instructor. I had EAN, Master DIver and over 2K dives when I took it 5 years ago. I was not really ready. Advanced Nitrox (EAN) would have been a good thing as mixes above 40% are rountinely used for Altlantis/Dolphin diving.

When I moved to CCR I was much better prepared, 3K dives, Advanced EAN, Tri-Mix (OC) and 570 plus SCR dives.

Had I realized how much better it was on CCR I would most likely have made the jump straight into CCR, although in 1999 things were different in the CCR Space.

I think today the minimum I would recommend are 100 dives, advanced nitrox (for SCR) and Rescue Diver or above cert.

Just my .02ATA.

Mike...

 

[Life-Is-Good-Diver]

Actually, no matter what your open circuit cert level is, when you get initially certified for a rebreather all you can get is recreational (profiles) level.

Prerequisits depend on both the agency and the rebreather (usually the type rather than the model). You would have to check that with the instructor.

In my case, NAUI training for the Prism CCR, it was 50 dives and nitrox cert. That's probably the minimum for any rebreather. I have to clock 100 hrs. in order to get trimix cert for the unit.

IIRC IANTD wants Advanced Nitrox for CCR, GUE required DIR-F & Tech1 for rec level RB80 training last time I asked (Oct '03 - they may have added Tech-2). With either agency I have no idea about the number of dives, and don't know about PADI, ANDI and TDI.

But there are several instructors here on the forum that'll be able to tell you the requirements for their agencies.

Add-ited: Joe beat me to the post.
It's ANDI's CSU training that I took in preparation for the CCR class.

Hi caveseeker, been reading all your guy's post as you guy's are very knowledgable

I actualley spoke with Extreme exposure in the past few day's, as i wanted to head upto cave country to see the RB80 on their display, but they don't have it there anymore ;(

Anyway, i did speak to them about Gue's requirment's, and they said you need the DIR fundemantle's, tech 1 and tech 2 classes, but im also in search of a rebreather instructor here in FL , as i will be starting off in somthing rec like the dolphine, or kiss, im still researching and talking to people, if you know of any instructours here in FL, please let me know as well, thanks

 

[caveseeker7]

IANTD has a searchable instuctor data base on their website, both for area and certification (and name, of course). Unfortunately the other agencies don't bother.

Then again, if you want a KISS, only IANTD will do in the first place.
Same for the Meg.

Also, Jetsam, Steam Machines and APD have their instructors listed on their websites, independent of certifying agencies.

 

[nitrojunkie]

... as i will be starting off in somthing rec like the dolphine, or kiss, im still researching and talking to people, if you know of any instructours here in FL, please let me know as well, thanks

FLTEK,

Spend some times on the boards checking out the differences between CCR and SCR rigs. I think you will find that CCR's are superior to SCR solutions. Each has it's own type of risks but many of have gone the path of SCR before training on CCR, I have never heard of anyone going back to SCR.

IMO, dollar for dollar a KISS is a far better investment than a Dolphin, I think you will also find that CCR is far more flexible to dive and actually requires equal or less set-up/maintenance.

After I was certified on the Dolphin I would rent them occasionally but never thought it was REALLY worth all the extra effort. After I trained on CCR I bought one the next day, 50 hours of diving later I only want to dive CCR.

Enjoy whatever you go with but I think most of us would advise CCR over SCR.

Doug

 

[padiscubapro]

IANTD has a searchable instuctor data base on their website, both for area and certification (and name, of course). Unfortunately the other agencies don't bother.

Then again, if you want a KISS, only IANTD will do in the first place.
Same for the Meg.

Also, Jetsam, Steam Machines and APD have their instructors listed on their websites, independent of certifying agencies.

ANDI will be manufacturer acklowledged for the KISS very shortly (text book already in the works).. The Meg probably by early next year..
We also have 2 Its ready on the Voyager as soon as we get an official acknowlegement from the manufacturer.