Ranger LTD - 65lb bladder

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You guys are 100% correct - if the OP says something like "I am looking at this and want some opinions."

However, in this case that isn't what is going on.

All of you have the same amounts of dives listed "between 200-499" so we obviously aren't talking about someone who is taking a class or has just finished open water....

Anyway, that's just the way I think of it...maybe I am wrong....
 
Wow, so many follow-up questions for such a simple question!! -Thank you Scott for answering the original question.

Yes, I have to bring up dead bodies to the surface. Yes, they don't weigh much under water, but when you get to the surface, they weigh what they weigh on the surface, and you better be prepared to float both you and them on the surface while the tender boat makes it's way over to you. Yes, you can use a lift bag, but have you ever? I have. It's pretty traumatic for the family to see Uncle Jimmy shoot to the surface like a Trident missle. Then the bag tips over (because Uncle Jimmy had some momemtum), the air burps out, and Uncle Jimmy goes back down to the bottom again, and you have to go find him a second time. Never tried one of those fancy body bags with the lift bag built into it, but would love to try it. How hard is it to get a body into, underwater and in zero vis? I know a closed bag would help with the tip-over problem, and a tag-line helps with finding them a second time. All lessons learned the hard way.

"What does altitude have to do with it? "
At altitude, atmospheric pressure is lower than at sea level. If it takes 36 pound to get you under at sea level, it's gonna take a bit more to get you under at altitude (my experience, about 42 lbs). Underwater, the neoprene compresses, and you now need more air in your BCD to remain neutral. Add the weight of your steel tank (full, not empty), and you are over 45 lbs. I am 6'5" and wore a 3XLT shirt, that's a lot of neoprene.

Granted, in 23 years of diving (certified in '87) I've only been "stuck" on the bottom once, and the fact that I mostly dive with a drysuit now, make this scenario unlikely anymore. But, how many near death experiences do you have to have?

The type of diving I do, is most likely not the same kind of diving YOU do. We dive heavy, because we have to. It's not easy being the pivot man in a circle search when you have "just enough" weight. Even with a couple extra lbs it can be a challenge to stay put.

The reason I pointed out that 55lbs capacity is more than 45lbs of lift, is because I've helped train enough students to know that if you CAN stuff 55lbs of lead in a BCD, at some point, a student or newer inexperienced diver WILL stuff 55 lbs in it. Seems like a liability to me. Maybe it hasn't happened yet, but can you say it WON'T ever?

Bottom line is, it's my BCD, and if I want a 65lb bladder, and they have one to sell me, that's what I'm gonna get!!

Scott- Bought my first BCD - A Zeagle Ranger back in the early 90's (it has the original cloth RANGER patches)- Have hundreds of dives on it in all kinds of water ranging from nasty to crystal clear - It still looks mostly brand new. I loved it! The only reason I got a new BCD was because my Ranger no longer fit me (went from 3XL to XL ). I hope this one holds up as good as my first!!
 
Thanks for your post, Aaron.

If this question would have been in the "general BC discussion" forums, I wouldn't have got involved, other than to answer your question. Your initial post, along with your number of dives, made me think that you knew what you wanted and had your own reasons for wanting it, which is why I don't see the real need to question your motives or try to talk you into something different - that's just not how I operate.

As for your old Ranger, I would love to bring back that cloth patch someday...they are so much cooler than the vinyl patches!! :)

Dive safe out there!!!

Scott
 
Thanks for the info - it really does help. Sorry if it came out another way.

I have used lift bags. I prefer closed ones just for the reasons you mention - that if gets out of control and blasts to the surface, it vents along the way without dumping once it hits the surface. Never, had to bring a body up though - thanks for doing such tasks.

I am Divemaster as well and have seen students do some dumb things but never stuff that much weight in a BCD - but your are correct dumb things do happen with students.

That said though, your experience at altitude interesting. I dive at 5000 ft and have never had to change my weighting compared to sea level. I am guessing that that is because my dry suit is compressed neoprene so there is no change in buoyancy, either that I am in a skin or thin wet suit so there is none to little.

Thanks for sharing what you are doing - good reference points.
 
You guys are 100% correct - if the OP says something like "I am looking at this and want some opinions."

However, in this case that isn't what is going on.

All of you have the same amounts of dives listed "between 200-499" so we obviously aren't talking about someone who is taking a class or has just finished open water....

Anyway, that's just the way I think of it...maybe I am wrong....

Scott, you are correct - I guess we were just trying to be too helpful.
 
Aaron,

Thanks for the additional information, it does help a bit. It seems the crux of your logic is you want a bit more buoyancy at the surface to float a DB, not at depth. This is the interesting issue that I did not grasp.

As for the altitude thing, you have it backwards. The air pressure makes little difference. You are by definition in fresh water though at altitude and need 7-8lbs LESS weight to submerge compared to saltwater. I dive at altitude monthly and can assure of this.

In any case, sorry for intruding. Zeagle makes fine products and I am sure you will be pleased.
 
As for the altitude thing, you have it backwards. The air pressure makes little difference. You are by definition in fresh water though at altitude and need 7-8lbs LESS weight to submerge compared to saltwater. I dive at altitude monthly and can assure of this.

Has nothing to with fresh versus salt water. But the change in atmospheric pressure on a wet suit's buoyancy. A wet suit is compressible and thus has a buoyancy shift whether in an air column or water column.
 

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