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[fairybasslet]

No, but he has definitely racked up a lot of good karma points. Jason is one of the most giving people I've ever met. I have been the recipient of his generosity many many times, and have never seen him expect anything in return. Thanks for being a good example for us all, Jason.

Maybe he is, but he seems to be coming down awfully hard on this poor dude who was only asking a question. His question was what would you have done if someone had spent a lot of time looking for something you lost and they had found it? He also spent a lot of time "showing him tons of stuff and helping him identify what he saw and delaying the second dive to find his ring." And he got a offhand "Thanks. You saved my life." That was it. Maybe he wasn't expecting a monetary award but this guest was incredibly rude IMHO. He could have bought him a drink or something, or made his appreciation more apparent. Someone did me a great favor once and I really wanted to give him some money but I honestly had an empty wallet. I explained this to him and apologized and he said not to worry about it. People on this board are always complaining about DMs who are kind of brusque and dive ops that act like they are doing you a favor by taking you out to a dive site. But I would hazard a guess that it is the behavior of guests like wedding ring dude who treat the DMs and Captains like they are "servants" that accounts for the attitude. I wouldn't blame the OP if, next time, he thinks twice about going above and beyond for the next guest who loses something in water. He could have been relaxing and enjoying his SI. And why shouldn't he? He isn't being paid to be the finder of wedding rings. Now, if he wants to out of the goodness of his heart, that's his personality and kudos to him. If his personality isn't as such (and let's face it, a lot of us are not made of this stuff) then that's his right too. But to tell him he used up his karma points is the height of hubris IMHO. Who is anyone to judge anyone else on their karma?

 

[fairybasslet]

Don't dive with lures on your hands, big fish eat them.

Stan

And don't go swimming with your diamond earrings in an expect the entire Spa staff to be tearing the place apart looking for them in the pool and opening up shower drains. Yes this happened at my gym. Why anyone would go swimming with diamond earrings in is beyond me.

 

[sarita75]

Maybe he is, but he seems to be coming down awfully hard on this poor dude who was only asking a question. His question was what would you have done if someone had spent a lot of time looking for something you lost and they had found it? *** Maybe he wasn't expecting a monetary award but this guest was incredibly rude IMHO. He could have bought him a drink or something, or made his appreciation more apparent.

I agree that people are coming down way to hard on the original poster (sorry, the name escapes me at this time ). IMHO, I think we could all walk away from this entire entry with at least some understanding of gratitude and appreciation for the efforts of other people. It is so easy to be nonchalant about things but, at the end of the day, we need to be more kind to one another. My 2 cents.

 

[Hammerhead]

This is funny. I lost my original wedding ring in 1997 at West Escarcio (Philippines - Puerto Galera) on a dive. Surreptitiously replaced it (complete with engraving on the inside) and then lost that one too exactly one year later at the same site. Neither were ever found, but I paid people to look and went back myself both times.

There's a moral there somewhere, but I'm damned if I know what it is...


Oh, we celebrate our 10th in September

 

[Jim Lapenta]

It all comes back to you in the end. I've gotten alot of satisfaction from doing things just because. Sometimes there is recognition, sometimes not. And many times things come later out of the blue. Like when I was 16 and worked as a busboy/room service kid. Took a very expensive breakfast of steak and eggs to a room. A well off gentleman and his lady companion gave me a 20 dollar tip. Two weeks later she gave me ten more when she and her husband(not the guy she was at the hotel with!) happened to come into the other job I had.

 

[Hammerhead]

People should not have to pay for a good deed. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The Golden Rule. A tip would be nice and generous but a thank you is all that is required.

N

Oh, and sarita75., I'm with Nemrod on this one.

I chose to pay because it was a - relatively - impoverished job and place at the time. The second time I attempted to pay, it was refused for exactly the reasons given by Nemrod.

 

[sarita75]

Oh, and sarita75., I'm with Nemrod on this one.

I chose to pay because it was a - relatively - impoverished job and place at the time. The second time I attempted to pay, it was refused for exactly the reasons given by Nemrod.

I am not saying that money was in order, please don't get me wrong. I have been offered money for "above and beyond" service that I have given (don't take that the wrong way now ) and have refused. It is the Golden Rule - I live by that rule. Hell, I have been selected for bone marrow donation (ouchie), do regular aphareisis donations, have opened my house to strangers in need, etc. - I don't expect anything for that. I do it for, what I referred to earlier as, the "karma points". You call it Golden Rule, I call it that. Same thing @ the end of the day.

The concept of gratitute - in my opinion - comes in so many ways. Money is not always the answer, and quite honestly, is sometimes a bit of a cop-out. It is the sincerity that accompanies the thank you which is, by far, more important... at least to me.

 

[deepblueme]

Searching for and finding a lost ring is not always a Karma thing I used to dive with a recovery team that people would call and pay us to go look for things like their rings,gun and even cars off boat ramps. They didnt realise that a boat could lift the rear of your car.

Personally if I would have gone out of my way to "search" for his ring I wouldn't have gave it back till I was compensated for my time. That is working to some of us.

Karma is stopping on the side of the road to help a little old lady change a flat or telling someone their baby dropped their bottle.

 

[Hammerhead]

sarita, you sound like a much nicer person than me

No offence meant and - I hope - none taken.

 

[fairybasslet]

I am not saying that money was in order, please don't get me wrong. I have been offered money for "above and beyond" service that I have given (don't take that the wrong way now ) and have refused. It is the Golden Rule - I live by that rule. Hell, I have been selected for bone marrow donation (ouchie), do regular aphareisis donations, have opened my house to strangers in need, etc. - I don't expect anything for that. I do it for, what I referred to earlier as, the "karma points". You call it Golden Rule, I call it that. Same thing @ the end of the day.

The concept of gratitute - in my opinion - comes in so many ways. Money is not always the answer, and quite honestly, is sometimes a bit of a cop-out. It is the sincerity that accompanies the thank you which is, by far, more important... at least to me.

Exactly right Sarita. BTW, I don't really do good deeds for the karma points. I have no idea how many points I get for showing someone how to use a machine at the gym without their asking. If I see them using something incorrectly, I'll help them. Is that worth more than if they ask? If they ask and I show them instead of suggesting that they ask a trainer, is that worth less? I just do things for people because it makes me feel good. And if one day, I'm not in the mood, well, I think that's ok too.