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annasea

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What types of questions do you recommend divers-to-be ask of prospective instructors?

Cost and class size are pretty obvious ones, but, for example, I read in a thread here recently that some instructors teach required skills with the students in a more realistic, horizontal position as opposed to a vertical one such as I was in when I learned mask clearing. I had no idea that skills could, or should, be taught in a way other than how I *learned*. (I was unable to complete my OW here in Vancouver so I am now trying to educate myself as best as possible as I go through the process of interviewing instructors.)

Any other considerations you'd care to share?

TIA!
 
I'm sure you'll find a whole litany of things here, so I'll keep my answer short.

I think one of the best things to do is just talk to the instructor/dive centre. Don't sweat the small stuff. If you have a good feeling from the instructor/dive centre and you feel that they are listening to you and giving you the information you ask for and beyond, you'll be fine. If they seem enthused and encourage you to ask questions/look for info then you should be well on your way to finding a good match.
 
I agree with the above.

The thing to keep in mind: You have to be able to learn the way they teach. Once you get beyond how obvious that statment is and dig a little deeper, it should allow you to find out what questions _you_ should ask.

So what are things that would potentially make you feel uncomfortable?
-Large classes?
-New instructors?
-Instructors that are more structured / less structured?
-Older rental gear?

There are dozens of other potential questions. So I would ask you why you didn't continue your training in Vancouver. Be honest with yourself and then figure out what would make you comfortable to the point of being able to continue the certs :)

Good luck. Hopefully I'll see you on some fundives around here sometime soon :D

Bjorn
 
alcina:
I think one of the best things to do is just talk to the instructor/dive centre. Don't sweat the small stuff. If you have a good feeling from the instructor/dive centre and you feel that they are listening to you and giving you the information you ask for and beyond, you'll be fine. If they seem enthused and encourage you to ask questions/look for info then you should be well on your way to finding a good match.
I respectfully disagree, alcina. I DID have a good feeling about the instructor I was to take my OW with, but he turned out to be a rather poor instructor, although he was an excellent salesman.

One of the problems may have been that I didn't quite know what to ask, which is why I am specifically asking my question here. I'm hoping to learn from the experience of others in order to avoid unnecessary pitfalls (and instructors). Dive training is both expensive and time-consuming, and any information that I can acquire here in order to make an informed decision as possible regarding instructors, will be most appreciated!
 
Anna: If you want to, PM me and I'll shoot you all the details about where I took my training, give you a rundown of the instructors I trained with and a quick pro/con on each. That is, if you want to continue in Vancouver.

I started teaching in the IT field in 1998 and would like to think I have a decent background in evaluating both instructors and teaching methods. Of course, chemistry being what it is and learning preference being what they are, YMMV. :)

Bjorn
 
Anna -

Sorry that you didn't get the instruction you wanted after you did the right thing by talking to the instructor! It can happen, of course. I do apologise if I wasn't clear in my first post...having a good feeling isn't all there is to it, you've gotta be getting good information, too! And even then, as it looks like happened to you, the instructor might put out a great first impression and be a loss.

You might be able to find previous students from the instructor...if possible get some contact info from a more independent source as an instructor is likely to only give you the contacts he knows will be favourable. My guess is that it is more likley that a shop/instructor will pass your details on to former students rather than give you their information - it's a privacy thing. If you are in a smallish area, ask around about that instructor.

Have you done a search here? I seem to remember a long thread from not so long ago with a very good selection of questions.

As Bjorn mentioned in his first post it would be very helpful to know what didn't work for you - that would help narrow the field against those things you have already learned about what works for you and what doesn't.

I just don't want you/others to get bogged down on if he/she teaches a particular skill in a particular way. Every instructor should have a variety of methods to suit a variety of students AND to introduce alternatives to students. There is usuallly more than one way to skin a cat...
 
I don't know if your "problem" was with pool or classroom. If it was pool, ask if you could observe a pool session.

Joe
 
annasea:
What types of questions do you recommend divers-to-be ask of prospective instructors?

Cost and class size are pretty obvious ones, but, for example, I read in a thread here recently that some instructors teach required skills with the students in a more realistic, horizontal position as opposed to a vertical one such as I was in when I learned mask clearing. I had no idea that skills could, or should, be taught in a way other than how I *learned*. (I was unable to complete my OW here in Vancouver so I am now trying to educate myself as best as possible as I go through the process of interviewing instructors.)

Any other considerations you'd care to share?

TIA!

The long thread you're looking for was written by Walter. You should be able to find it with the search.

Here are a couple of questions that I personally think are important:
  • How much time do you spend in the pool? (answer should be "as much as we need")
  • Can I repeat a module if I still don't feel comfortable? (answer should be "yes")
  • Do you certify everyone? (answer should be "no")
  • How long have you been teaching? (experience *does* matter in this game)
  • How big are your classes? (a good number is 4-6 in my mind)
  • Do you work alone or do you have an assistant? (not having an assistant is a good indicator that you'll spend a lot of time waiting around)

I wouldn't stare blindly at learning skills neutral as a good indicator of quality in an OW course. What I *do* really think is important is that you have the chance to try the skills while neutral once you've been taught the technique. Learning while neutral is difficult and teaching everything neutrally to start with takes a lot longer. In my mind, what's effective is to teach the technique first and then practice it while swimming. In other words, move the bar up a little at a time until you can do the skills neutrally.

Take mask clearing, for example. If you learn the technique while kneeling and then try it in a fin pivot once your instructor is happy that you've got it then you're still learning how to do it while neutral. Once you can do it in a fin pivot, then try letting some water in your mask while swimming and so on....

...so in other words, what you're looking for is an instructor who will give you lots of time in the pool to practice what you've learned. How instructors do this varies a lot. Some don't give you any time to practice stuff or just a few minutes at the end of every session. Run away if ynou see this happening. How much practice time you will need will depend on you but how much practice time you *get* will depend on the instructor's logistics. As a rule of thumb, an instructor who has his/her logistics totally nailed can run an adequate OW course with 6 students in 8-10 hours of pool time. If classes are too large or the instructor doesn't work with a decent assistant then he/she is likely to need more like 15 hours in the pool.

By way of comparison, lots of shops try to do their OW course with 5-7 hours in the pool.... This just isn't enough for most people to really get a grip on the skills. Some people can but most can't. If the shop/instructor is trying to run the course at this tempo then the important question is what he/she will do if you feel that's it's going too fast for you. If you get 6 hours in the pool and no chance for remedial sessions if you want/need them then you're almost guaranteed to become one of those divers we all moan about.....at least to start with. If the basis is 6 hours of instruction with the option of spending another 6 hours practicing then you'll be pretty much squared away by the time you're finished.

The question about experience is relevant. Most people get better at stuff with a little practice and a new instructor will probably be ok in terms of teaching the skills but they'll usually need more pool time than an experienced instructor will. The difference is often in logistics.

Finally, big classes are a nightmare for the instructor and also for the students. There are always a couple of slower people in the course and if the class is too big then everyone who isn't slow will be rushed along to make time for the slow ones. This applies to groups of 4 or 6 as well but the instructor has more time per student with smaller classes and it's easier logistically to deal with the slow ones. A group of 6 with one instructor and one assistant is an ideal size. At the shop where I work we occasionally do groups of 10 but then with two instructors and a DM, which basically amounts to two groups of 5. A big group can be fun but the important thing is that the ratio of staff to students doesn't get above 3:1 or 4:1.

Hope that helps a bit.

R..
 
Diver0001:
The long thread you're looking for was written by Walter. You should be able to find it with the search.
Actually, Diver0001, I'm not familiar with this thread you're writing of, although it may be similar to a list I've seen of Walter's on another board. The thread I noticed a few days ago was this one: http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=116583 ("Just finished a great class...")

I didn't want to take up space by quoting your entire post, but it was most helpful! Thx!
 
annasea,

One of the things I did was talk to instructors about my concerns and evaluated how they handled that. Did they just dismiss them or take the time to understand. The dismissive went something like "Oh don't worry about that, everyone has that concern".

I talked to people at 4 different LDS' and got a very distinct feeling about each and was able to make the right choice for me. It's funny but I think each LDS has a culture, and you can pick that up from the people that teach through and dive through that shop.

Hope this helped.
 

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