Question about strong vertical currents

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I have been following the thread on the divers in Mexico that it seems were lost due to a strong vertical down current. How often are these types of currents encountered both up and down currents and is there anything you can do once you get in them?

Are they just in the ocean or do they appear in lakes or rivers?

Any other thoughts on vertical currents would be appreciated. I am not sure of all the relevant questions to ask regarding them.

Thanks,

USBB
 
they have them in the springs where they try to shoot you to the top,it helps to be negative before coming to the surface.
 
They are very rare, but they do happen.

If you ever encounter one, swim horizontally to get out of the updraft/downdraft. Use your BC for bouyancy if necessary, but remember that once you clear the current, you'll need to adjust your bouyancy again -- immediately.
 
they have them in the springs where they try to shoot you to the top,it helps to be negative before coming to the surface.

Sorry Bud,

You are confusing a Thermoreactive current (similar to an up/downdraft on an aircraft) with Flow, which is what you have in the springs.

And yes, High flow will squirt you right out of a spring in a hurry.

Safe diving
 
What the heck is a thermoreactive current? I spent a lot of time in school studying water and stuff and I don't remember that term.
 
What the heck is a thermoreactive current? I spent a lot of time in school studying water and stuff and I don't remember that term.

In a nutshell, it's a current caused by differences in water temperature, Salinity and landscape that creates upshoots and downdrafts.

Oceanic fronts are boundaries between water masses of different density. Density is a function of temperature and salinity (the amount of dissolved salts in water); therefore, both thermal (temperature) fronts and haline (salinity) fronts exist in the ocean. A thermal front is a zone with a pronounced horizontal temperature gradient, while a haline front exhibits a horizontal salinity gradient. Ocean fronts can extend from the surface to the very deep layers of the ocean, often separating very large volumes of ocean water.
Using IR satellite imagery on a relatively cloud-free day, it is possible to detect ocean thermal fronts in the surface layers of the ocean. This is accomplished by locating in an image a distinct gray shade difference that results from the horizontal temperature gradient across a thermal ocean front. Since these temperature differences are often on a magnitude of 2­5° C, image enhancement techniques are often used to highlight the temperature range of the ocean surface and improve the contrast between small differences in sea surface temperature.
[SIZE=+1]Oceanic fronts can be permanent or transient features. Permanent oceanic fronts include the Gulf Stream front , located off the east coast of North America, and the Kuroshio Current front, located off the east coast of Asia. These frontal boundaries always exhibit a pronounced horizontal temperature gradient and can be up to 1000 meters deep. Transient oceanic fronts usually occur seasonally and are generally weaker, with more diffuse boundaries. Transient fronts may only appear in the ocean for a few weeks during the year; however, they are important components of the ocean system. [/SIZE]

The global conveyor belt thermohaline circulation is driven primarily by the formation and sinking of deep water (from around 1500m to the Antarctic bottom water overlying the bottom of the ocean) in the Norwegian Sea. This circulation is thought to be responsible for the large flow of upper ocean water from the tropical Pacific to the Indian Ocean through the Indonesian Archipelogo. The two counteracting forcings operating in the North Atlantic control the conveyor belt circulation: (1) the thermal forcing (high-latitude cooling and the low-latitude heating) which drives a polar southward flow; and (2) haline forcing (net high-latitude freshwater gain and low-latitude evaporation) which moves in the opposite direction. In today's Atlantic the thermal forcing dominates, hence, the flow of upper current from south to north.

Hope that helps.

Safe diving...
 
It takes some training and understanding about the current but you can Ferry one just like ferrying a creak or river.

Gary D.
 
I got caught in an actual whirlpool while drift diving me and a buddy between the Indonesia Islands, Nusa Lembongan and Nusa Penida....right off the southeast coast of Bali. As we passed the end of the islands where we were diving, there was another major oceanic current converging right there with the one we were in. And let me tell ya...we were sucked from 50' to 140' in secs...and only arrested the decent by clinging on the side of the wall like rock climbers. we literally climbed up the wall to about the 100' marker and took a break. We decided to let go and kick up while holding down the power inflator button filling up the wing. And off we went! Rocketing up through the downward pulling current. But not for very far...we each performed a CESA manuever up to 50' and began to delfate the wings quickly...for we had started coming out of the downward pull of the whirlpool and could return to a slower, much safer ascent and complete an extra long safety stop. All turned out fine and boy did we had some good stories to tell over beers that night! Not to mention the mola-mola sightings we had seen before getting caught in the whirlpool. ;-)

Just for fun...check this site out. ;-) Diving in south Bali: Nusa Penida, Ceningan, Lembongan, Nusa Dua, Sanur, Benoa: description of dive sites, maps, dive operators, the Mola Mola ocean sunfish (Zubi)
 
Damn and I thought it was like a flux capacitor. But seriously, do Horizontal density gradients produce verical currents that would be dangerous. I imagine that convection cells would be set up at the interface of the two water masses, but would these be slow or fast?
 
Damn and I thought it was like a flux capacitor. But seriously, do Horizontal density gradients produce verical currents that would be dangerous. I imagine that convection cells would be set up at the interface of the two water masses, but would these be slow or fast?

That all depends on surface temperature, radiative heat absorbtion, and bottom contour in respect to the direction of flow. They are possible, and somewhat dynamic.

In the submarine service, we called them "trim elevators"

Safe diving...
 

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