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mwhities

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I have contacted an individual about possibly getting in some extra training. The agency he trains for is YMCA. Not being very familiar with YMCA (Mainly SSI, PADI, Naui, GUE) What are your thoughts about YMCA? The good? The bad? I've met the guy personally and the way he talks he would be an astounding instructor. That alone, regardless of the agency, would make me want to chose him for training. I would just like to hear about the YMCA agency it's self and what you all think about it in relation to the others.

My main goal is to get the best training I can, I careless about the agency. I just want my moneys worth.

Thanks,

Michael
 
I have not trained with YMCA, but having a great instructor is MUCH more important than the agency they are certified with. I'd go for it regardless of what others may say positive or negative about YMCA experiences.
 
EastEndDiver:
It mostly depends on the instructor in any agency.

Yeah, I'm pretty much going to go with this guy, as I stated, just from what I know of him, he'd be a great instructor.

Michael
 
RonFrank:
I have not trained with YMCA, but having a great instructor is MUCH more important than the agency they are certified with. I'd go for it regardless of what others may say positive or negative about YMCA experiences.

I'm just looking to see what the differences are and experiences people has had with the agency. Not really the instructor they had, whether good or bad.

Thanks for the reply.

Michael
 
Don't get caught up in agencies. Go with the instructor that feels right. You will have no problems diving, getting airfills etc with YMCA vs XXX Agency. It is usually that as new divers or potential new divers we do not really know what to ask our potential instructor. I have put a list with this post of good questions to ask. While I don't agree with everything on the list or in the post it is still a good list.

The major question I disagree with is the time someone has been teaching. While a new fresh instructor teaching his/her first course may not be ideal I have seen plenty of older instructors who just shouldn't be teaching any more. Often I'd rather have the new fresh instructor than these old burned out types.

walter:
Take your time to research and find the best instructor in your area. Next, take time to complete the course. A good course will last several weeks. Don't rush this, it's something you can spend the rest of your life enjoying.

How do I find an above average course and how will I know I've found it?

Interview potential instructors. Most people never ask any questions beyond price. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Excellent instructors will usually have a higher priced class for a number of reasons. The instructor is dedicated toward providing you all the time you need to master necessary knowledge and skills. Extra pool time can be expensive. Keep in mind; the instructor is trying to make a living. His time is valuable.

Consider alternatives. While many instructors teach through dive shops, some of the best are independent instructors or affiliated with colleges, universities or YMCA's.

Questions to ask the instructors:

How long have you been teaching? Most instructors improve over time. They learn new techniques and get ideas from other instructors and through experience to improve their classes.

Do you certify all your students? Only instructors who are in a hurry and care nothing about your safety will answer yes. You want an instructor who will require you to be safe and knowledgeable before issuing a c-card. An excellent instructor might tell you that he is willing to keep working with a student until the student either qualifies or gives up.

What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

Will I learn confidence-building skills? There are some skills which have no direct application to a typical dive, but which do build your confidence as well as your abilities. This, combined with an understanding of the panic cycle, will make you much less likely to panic.

Do you teach the panic cycle? Panic is the most dangerous aspect of diving. Many instructors do not understand panic and believe there is no way to combat it. In actuality, panic is understood. It is though learning the panic cycle and by increasing skill levels that panic is avoided.

Do your students swim with their hands? This will let you know if the instructor pays attention to details. Good divers do not use their hands for swimming.

Do you work on trim? Divers should usually be horizontal in the water. Good instructors will see that students are striving towards good trim. Poor instructors often neglect it.

Do you overweight your students? Many instructors overweight students. It is not a good practice.

What method do you use to correctly weight your students? Any answer that does not involve actually getting in the water means you want to avoid that instructor.

How many people will be in my class? Small classes are better. You'll have more individual attention. Unless the instructor is using certified assistants, more than four students are difficult to watch.

How many certified assistants will you be using? Unless the class is relatively large (more than 4 students) this should not be an issue. An instructor should have a certified Divemaster or Assistant Instructor for every two students over four. There are times when divers working on their Divemaster or Assistant Instructor certifications assist with a class. This is normal and not an issue, but they do not count toward the assistants an instructor should have when working with larger classes.

Will I be learning skills kneeling on the pool bottom or mid-water? This question is not critical, but will let you know if you've found an instructor who has a great deal on the ball. The over whelming majority of instructors (even good instructors) teach skills kneeling on the bottom. Don't eliminate instructors who do. Some instructors have realized your mask will flood while you are swimming, not when you are sitting on the bottom. You need to learn skills in the manner in which you'll be using them.

Do you dive for fun or just when you are teaching? Instructors who've stopped diving for fun are burned out.

Questions to ask yourself:

Is the instructor patient? While talking with your potential instructor, you should be getting a feel for his personality. Patience is an important quality for an instructor. You want to avoid instructors with a drill sergeant demeanor.

Would I be happier learning from a man or a woman? Only you can answer that question, but in general it is not usually a serious consideration. There are excellent instructors and there are poor instructors. Men and women fall into both groups
 
mwhities:
I've met the guy personally and the way he talks he would be an astounding instructor. That alone, regardless of the agency, would make me want to chose him for training.

Out of curiosity, what is it that he has said that makes him sound like an astounding instructor?

Thanks
 
drew52:
Don't get caught up in agencies. Go with the instructor that feels right. You will have no problems diving, getting airfills etc with YMCA vs XXX Agency. It is usually that as new divers or potential new divers we do not really know what to ask our potential instructor. I have put a list with this post of good questions to ask. While I don't agree with everything on the list or in the post it is still a good list.

The major question I disagree with is the time someone has been teaching. While a new fresh instructor teaching his/her first course may not be ideal I have seen plenty of older instructors who just shouldn't be teaching any more. Often I'd rather have the new fresh instructor than these old burned out types.

Thanks for the list. I'll definitely keep the questions in mind. It looks more like a "new diver" questionnaire but, I can modify it to ask the potential instructor.

Thanks,

Michael
 
mjatkins:
Out of curiosity, what is it that he has said that makes him sound like an astounding instructor?

Thanks

While talking to him, I had asked what his average passing rate was, instead of saying "whatever %", he went into detail about the requirements that he expects his students to pass and understand of the training they received. So it's not much so of a pass/fail, it's if you get the skills down and understand them. I guess you'd have to be there but, he seems genuine and really cares about the student and the time spent with the student.

We did a boat dive with him and he was doing a check out dive (deep dive) with those two. He was talked with them before the dive and then did a dive briefing with myself and my buddy along with the students.

Michael
 
It is but many of them apply to any further education with slight modifications. I just didn't want to rip apart someone else's post.
 

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