Procedure for dealing with a freeflow

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This came up in another thread and I wanted to make it as clear as possible because I feel it's important and there seemed to be some confusion over what I was saying... mia culpa!

What to do if your reg freeflows and you are wearing "standard" openwater gear (i.e. single 80 cft tank and single first stage with octopus and primary second stages, SPG, LP inflator etc. We will assume, your kit is serviced and you are diving with a competent and responsible buddy who is stable in the water.

When you reg starts to freeflow -- which is usually at the beginning of the dive, and we'll discuss why in a second -- signal your buddy... they should immediately realise what's wrong but use hand signals to tell them. The important thing here is to resist any urge you may have to bolt to the surface... that's your last resort and right now you do not have an emergency... you have a freeflow.

Anyhow, take your buddy's octopus, and shut down your tank... turn off the valve. At this point, your buddy should have contact with you... standard procedure when sharing gas, right. I would recommend she / he also controls your postition in the water column. If there's a wreck nearby or a line or a rock or something to hold onto, she should do so... you do not want to float to the surface right now... you're too busy.

Once the tank is switched off. The immediate problem is over. Get yourself settled. Slow down your breathing and assess the situation. How much gas did you lose? How much gas does you buddy have. Write it down on a slate or in your Wetnotes. This will take less than a minute and will calm you down. Now while holding your naughty first stage mouthdown, TURN YOUR VALVE BACK ON. Chances are good, it will not freeflow. You can now -- if you wish -- abort your dive in a safe and controlled fashion. If there's no creep from your reg, and the environment allows it, you might also go a little shallower and pass a few minutes there... go practice some drills!

OK. Why do most freeflows happen at the start of a dive? Stress on the firststage. Most divers breathe faster at the start of a dive. You are filling your BC and you may be putting gas into a dry suit. That's a lot of stress on a single first stage.


By the way, I support the idea that any dive deeper than 30 meters (100 feet) should be done with redundant gas supply.

Hope this clears things up... and like every other drill, this one is worth practicing.

Lastly, a non-standard disclaimer. What do I know about diving emergencies? Well, I haven't seen as many as some people I can name LOL.

What's written here is based on personal experience -- both teaching and diving -- and describes a "best practice." No such best practice can be guaranteed to be correct for every diver and every situation -- there is no silver bullet folks -- however, I do believe it's the right thing to do 99 times out of 100.
 
Thanks for the excellent description, and clarification of what you meant in the Toby thread

As for what else I can say? Keep the advise coming! I for one will welcome it. Particularly as it not only comes with "here is what you should do", but also "why you should do it" and "here is the mechanics"

Three cheers Doppler!
 
The only suggestion I have is to be relaxed and balanced at the beginning of the dive....you really shouldn't be dumping air into your BC or suit until your at depth.

The other suggestion would be to practice practice practice this drill over and over again so when the situation arises, you can handle it.

The guy who I dive with on a regular basis practices this with me, and we have it down pat. We don't care too much where the free-flow happens, next time we get the opportunity, we're going to try it with blacked out masks.
 
I wouldn't do it that way. It would work but most of the free flows I've seen stay free flows and turning the valve off and on don't do much. Well maybe it would thaw eventually if it free flowed because it's frozen.

If I'm diving a single output valve I'm not deep. After signaling an end to the dive I would head up breathing off the free flowing reg. You still have some time. If I got low on gas I would switch to buddy's alternate. If it's a reg freezing kind of a day having two breathing off of one reg is liable to cause the buddies reg to free flow also. I think one is enough.

Most standard rec gear (short hoses?) don't give much room to move.
 
Just a question on your procedure. As you stated the begining of the dive is when you are most likely to free flow because of stress on the first stage.

By switching over to your buddys system after a free flow you could possibly be a little stressed yourself and breathing a little heavier. You are now switching over to your buddys system. Now you have two divers on one first stage, with one of the two divers probably breathing a little heavy. The odds now of your buddys first stage free flowing are pretty good with that much air passing through.

So to the question. What would you do if you have your buddys reg free flow while your reg is already free flowing??

I wonder if you might be better off to breath on your free flowing reg till back at the surface.

I can see valid points both ways!

Diver Gadget
 
diver gadget once bubbled...
Just a question on your procedure.
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So to the question. What would you do if you have your buddys reg free flow while your reg is already free flowing??


Diver Gadget

Valid point but the reason to practice drills is so that when the **** hit the fan, you are not stressed. My arguement is that at the point you switch to your buddy's octo, you are not stressed or should not be.

AND if switching to a buddy's octo is going to cause a freeflow, aren't we sending openwater divers into the frey with sub-standard systems... a reg freeflows because of a number of reasons most of them abborant. Of course you can contingency yourself out of the water... but that's a arguement for another day :)
 
MikeFerrara once bubbled...
I wouldn't do it that way. It would work but most of the free flows I've seen stay free flows and turning the valve off and on don't do much. Well maybe it would thaw eventually if it free flowed because it's frozen.

If I'm diving a single output valve I'm not deep. After signaling an end to the dive I would head up breathing off the free flowing reg. You still have some time. If I got low on gas I would switch to buddy's alternate. If it's a reg freezing kind of a day having two breathing off of one reg is liable to cause the buddies reg to free flow also. I think one is enough.

Most standard rec gear (short hoses?) don't give much room to move.

Just my opinion Mike and I respect yours... regarding two breathing off a reg... see my pervious post... I honestly think a freeflow is an abborant episode. A well serviced reg -- read my first post, that's a condition -- will not freeflow unless coaxed. I have to disagree about turning off and on... my experience is that it does stop... and of course my advice is based on that.

Regular hose lengths... I thought everyone used a five-foot hose on their OW gear? ! ? ;)

Bottom line is, I would rather deal with the problem at depth while stable than go for the surface with malfunctioning equipment... because you still have to turn the **** off when you get there and it's messy!
 
I actually had this exact scenario at the end of a dive two years ago, in Cayman Brac, and it was sort of fun resolving it, as odd as that sounds. My buddy was the one with the freeflow. It made me feel good to know I was able to handle a minor emergency like that.
My buddy was clueless as to what to do and, although he had plenty of air and didn't miss any breaths, a little panicky, and had no idea that I had shut his tank off after giving him my octo.
I grabbed his arms and made him look at me in the eye. He calmed right down and we did our 15 foot stop with plenty of air to spare.

I hope it goes this well if that happens to me or my buddy again!
 
You bring up some good points doppler. A couple more comments though...you didn't think it would be that easy did ya. LOL Things are slow.

Sad but true...lots of divers would be clumbsy at best trying to hang out doing shut downs and writing on slates. They would be in the bottom or shooting to the surface and end up seperated while one had his air off. Hey I see lots like this. And of course I agree this shouldn't be an issue but it is.

The first or second winter I was diving a freinds reg free flowed repeatedly and ruined several trips before he finally bought another. No one could fix it. Anyway if you shut the post down and back on the reg would be fine for about 3 breaths. Well sometimes it was ok above 20 ft also but sure enough by the time you hit 40 ft or so it was blowing. The point is, tis reg was ending the dive. He breathed it but he could have breathed mine as well.

I gues breath it or switch either way as long as it's done in a competant control mannor. I still worry about 2 people breathing on the same reg in cold water if you don't have to do it though. I've seen regs free flow because of divers adding too much air too fast to their bc even.
 
Doppler once bubbled...


Valid point but the reason to practice drills is so that when the **** hit the fan, you are not stressed. My arguement is that at the point you switch to your buddy's octo, you are not stressed or should not be.

AND if switching to a buddy's octo is going to cause a freeflow, aren't we sending openwater divers into the frey with sub-standard systems... a reg freeflows because of a number of reasons most of them abborant. Of course you can contingency yourself out of the water... but that's a arguement for another day :)

Do they not still teach breathing from a free flowing reg in open water?? Even if you were not stressed and very calm, switching to your buddys reg in really cold water could very easily overload it. In warm water it would not be a problem.

I also agree with the shuting the valves off as it has been my experience as well that it has corected the free flow problem.

I have delt with free flowing regs using your described method. It has worked well for me. I just wonder if sometime it might not. I guess worst case is that you would both assend to the surface on free flowing regs.
 

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