Problems with HOG regs

[cerich]

You followed my thinking. If you figure out it is just the one let me know please, in the mean time I am going to try and rinse a few with a garden hose to see if I can replicate the issue.

I think it's just the one but I haven't taken a journal so I'm not sure. I usually use a hose on soaker or the kitchen sink on soaker. I read that thread about an older model that did this and what the housing looked like and that doesn't look like any of my cases. Also I don't get any current in Lake Travis and I'm rarely moving fast.

The DUROC is on my BP2 which is on an AL40 side slung. I'm not opposed to the possibility that maybe every in once in awhile I do something stupid like drag it in the silt or fold it over with the garden hose. Hence why I've gotten into the habit of a predive vacuum test on all my 2nds before each dive.

 

[tracydr]

For #1, my octo from DRIS free flowed a little when I got it. A quick detune fixed it but I did wonder if this should have got caught when it was assembled.

For #2, I try to always remember to do a vacuum test as part of my predive assembly / inspection checklist. I've had my exhaust flaps fold back more then once and I don't know why they would be doing that.

For #3, I was thinking about buying the Yoke conversion for my upcoming blackbeards trip. I'm not so sure now.

Could you explain how you do your vacuum test?

 

[Jim Lapenta]

Very simple. Put the reg on a tank with the valve off or cover the DIN inlet with your thumb. On a yoke version reg it's easier to put it on a tank. With the tank off try to take a normal breath off of both seconds. You should not be able to inhale anything. If you can that may be an indication of several things. Simple ones would be a rolled or impeded exhaust diaphragm. I've seen people get sticks, dirt, mud, salt build up, etc. under them.

Next may be a hole or tear in the main diaphragm. Not as likely but possible.

Other item could be a cracked case.

Hoses not tightened will also allow air as will a bad hose oring. Possible but not as likely as first three.

Or the seal at the 1st stage may not be good. If your tank or DIN oring is missing you might be able to get some air. These would be the most common and first places to check. More or less in the order listed.

This is with virtually all regs. Now if you inhale hard enough it is possible to suck that exhaust diaphragm into the case. It's soft silicone and can be done. Takes some doing but it is possible.

 

[tracydr]

Very simple. Put the reg on a tnak with the valve off or cover the DIN inlet with your thumb. On a yoke version reg it's easier to put it on a tank. With the tank off try to take a normal breath off of both seconds. You should not be able to inhale anything. If you can that may be an indication of several things. Simple ones would be a rolled or impeded exhaust diaphragm. I've seen people get sticks, dirt, mud, salt build up, etc. under them. Next may be a hole in the main diaphragm. Not likely but possible. Other item could be a cracked case. Or the seal at the 1st stage may not be good. If your tank or DIN oring is missing you might be able to get some air.

This is with virtually all regs. Now if you inhale hard enough it is possible to suck that exhaust diaphragm into the case. It's soft silicone and can be done. Takes some doing but it is possible.

Thanks, this is absolutely the very first time I've ever heard anybody mention this.

 

[Jim Lapenta]

You need to take a good equipment course. Not necessarily a service tech course but one that covers all of this which should be basic knowledge for a regular diver and especially a DM. I have an open weekend in August. You can catch a military flight maybe to the 911th in Pittsburgh. Or pull some strings and get me on one to Arizona!

 

[DiverAmy]

Jim, when are you coming to Florida to teach us??

 

[Jax]

I've had some issues with my HOG regs. It mostly had to do with the IDtenT's assembly errors.

 

[billt4sf]

This is the first we have heard of this.

First of all let me apologize.

Secondly, let me be clear. We'll make this right.

Thanks Chris!@ A personal response is more than I expected! I sent you an email.

---------- Post added July 8th, 2013 at 06:47 PM ----------

Did you order HOG regulators with yoke fittings instead of DIN?

I got them with both fittings. Actually I just changed to the DIN fittings here in Bonaire and I like them alot better! (Peter are you listening?)

 

[Peter_C]

Mike, those regs were purchased through me. It was a group purchase for three sets of regs, and a BP/W, along with a bunch of other stuff to the tune of thousands of dollars. I still have one of the mis-shipped hoses, and really need to send it back and place a new order for gear, since it seems to be a never ending deal with buying new gear.

The majority of the order was shipped from DRIS, and the remainder of the regs were drop shipped from Edge.

When we originally received the regs, testing them on the couch they had no issues. It wasn't until the OP took them to the water that he experienced an issue. On a later excursion we spent a few minutes trying to dial it down, but never pulled the cover to check lever height. I am not sure what the rest of his issues are??

The yoke fitting knob failing is one of concern to me since I have a brand new one in the box for our next warm water trip. How can I tell if it is going to fail, or if it is one of the inferior units. I am not one to over-tighten stuff, so...

 

[billt4sf]

On #1, I think it is unacceptable that the OP was charged any shipping charge on a defective unit. Did you allow a long period of time between purchase and contacting the vendor with the issue?

I'm considering these regulators, so interested in the outcome and response

I don't care much about the shipping charges. I was very happy that DRIS fixed them quickly and sent them back quickly. I thought that was good customer service on their part. Perhaps I would care more about the shipping charges if I had sent them 2-day air. The technician who fixed them did ask his boss (or someone) about the shipping charges and I was slightly surprised that they decided to charge me, after all we had bought them just a few weeks earler and has yet to get good use out of them. But I was happy that the work was done quickly.