Practices that could lead to accidents on training dives

[JamesK]

:worship: Well said Jim.

 

[ScubaSteve1962]

I took my OW class and pool session in 3 days with one instructor, and did a refresher and OW dives with a different instructor, would this be considered a short course? Now when looking for a course I knew nothing about the different agency's but compared length of course and what was done in each class and even though some were 6 weeks the amount of time spent was the same as doing it in a weekend. With my background from the field I work in, taking short courses is the norm with the understand that what will make you better at what you do is taking these basic that I've taught you and expanding it from there. Luckily my OW dives were one on one, so the instructor was my buddy. Some times I wonder if my instruction was good enough, but I know whether or not it was the only way I will get to be a better diver is by diving. It seems this instructor and some other that were there that day are like so many other, I've done this a 1000 time and nothing ever went wrong, the don't understand that all it take is 1 time for everything to go wrong.

 

[Bratface]

Jim,
Well said. The scariest part of watching those divers is that the instructor will actually certify them. I dive with vacation divers every weekend. There are many who did not learn their lessons and clearly should not have been certified.

 

[Jim Lapenta]

I want to apologize to the readers of this thread. I did not authorize the name change although since it was moved without my permission and I was too busy and pissed off over the move to address it last night I was going to respond to the request to change the name after I got home later. The title should be "How accidents happen on training dives". The location is not important. What is important is that divers not ready for open water should not be there.

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[t4e]

Now when looking for a course I knew nothing about the different agency's but compared length of course and what was done in each class and even though some were 6 weeks the amount of time spent was the same as doing it in a weekend.

but that is not the point

there comes a point when the attention span starts to deteriorate
think about it, so much new stuff being crammed in a couple of long 8 hour days

afaic it is much more beneficial to spend 8 hours during 4 days as opposed to one day
gives you the chance to mentally go through what you've just been taught instead of rushing into yet another new skill

 

[Jim Lapenta]

And it's why I will not do more than 2 - 2 1/2 hours in the pool per session. Students get tired and perhaps cold. When that happens the learning process stops. Same with classroom for OW students. 2 hours per session or maybe 2 hours with an hour plus break followed by two more hours. But that is only done as a special event such as when I had a family driving an hour and half each way twice a week for 7 weeks to train. I tried to help them out by doing two double session days for classroom. Pool was still regular schedule as two of them were young girls and two hours in the water was enough. Of course I teach a 32 hour course split between classroom and pool then will easily spend 6 hours a day over both check out days since there is more surface classroom on site covering specifics of the site and since there were four students in that course they all did two dives. I did four taking one buddy pair each dive.

 

[SeaHorse81]

it is much more beneficial to spend 8 hours during 4 days as opposed to one day gives you the chance to mentally go through what you've just been taught instead of rushing into yet another new skill

The brain can only process so much at a time -- any excess gets lost. Basic learning theory states that if you are exposed to topic A and then immediately move to topic B, you will busy your brain with trying to deal with topic B at the time it would have been processing, organizing, and storing topic A. Lots of topic A gets lost, as will happen with topic B when you rush forward to topic C, etc.

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By the way, when the thread name got changed, my subscription to the thread got lost. Seems like a good way to kill a thread. It also seems that views dropped precipitously when it got moved to its new location; another good way to kill a thread, and perhaps an indication that it fit better where it was in the first place. It's a shame, too, because I think it is an excellent topic, well presented.

I'd like to see the thread restored to the location originally chosen by the poster, with a title of his choice, unless that title violates TOS somehow.

 

[t4e]

And it's why I will not do more than 2 - 2 1/2 hours in the pool per session. Students get tired and perhaps cold. When that happens the learning process stops. Same with classroom for OW students. 2 hours per session or maybe 2 hours with an hour plus break followed by two more hours. But that is only done as a special event such as when I had a family driving an hour and half each way twice a week for 7 weeks to train. I tried to help them out by doing two double session days for classroom. Pool was still regular schedule as two of them were young girls and two hours in the water was enough. Of course I teach a 32 hour course split between classroom and pool then will easily spend 6 hours a day over both check out days since there is more surface classroom on site covering specifics of the site and since there were four students in that course they all did two dives. I did four taking one buddy pair each dive.

that's how our training was scheduled over 10 weeks with 1.5 hours class and 2 hours of pool
even though the water was 84C and i had a t-shirt on, in the first class i got so cold that i was shivering by the end of it, i ended up wearing a shortie for the rest of the course

The brain can only process so much at a time -- any excess gets lost. Basic learning theory states that if you are exposed to topic A and then immediately move to topic B, you will busy your brain with trying to deal with topic B at the time it would have been processing. organizing, and storing topic A. Lots of topic A gets lost, as will happen with topic B when you rush forward to topic C, etc.

pardon me but its been a long day and i can't quite figure out if you agree or disagree with what i said lol

 

[SeaHorse81]

pardon me but its been a long day and i can't quite figure out if you agree or disagree with what i said lol

Yeah, I've had days like that. I'm agreeing with you, 100%.

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Now I'm really confused. I've just noticed the moderator comment above about moving further comments to a new thread. I clicked on the link provided and got an invalid link message. This seemed not only like a perfectly good topic, but perhaps an exceptionally good one, and there's all this inexplicable shuffling about that seems destined to bury it. I don't get it, but I'm guessing the thread is close to dead, if that was the goal.

 

[dumpsterDiver]

I can understand why the OP is upset by this, but I am surprised that.. he was surprised by it.... The description of the diving is pretty typical of what I have seen for years now. They took away the need to buddy breath, then no need to learn tables, lowered the minimum age to a number that is too low for most all children, replaced lectures and interaction with an instructor in the classroom with a video tape and I suspect that they will do away with snorkel use too (based on some of the BS I read on SB).