Pony bottle pressure gauge?

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I'm setting up a 19 cf pony bottle that I plan on slinging. Do people usually attach a pressure gauge? I want to find a gauge that screws directly in with no hose. The problem is, all of the gauges I see are incredibly tiny..... Anybody have experience with these?
 
XS scuba has a decent small one. It's not so tiny but it is small. Or go with a brass mini gauge See Halcyon or Diver rite on a 6 inch hose and bungie it to the shoulder of the tank.
 
I'm setting up a 19 cf pony bottle that I plan on slinging. Do people usually attach a pressure gauge? I want to find a gauge that screws directly in with no hose. The problem is, all of the gauges I see are incredibly tiny..... Anybody have experience with these?

Most people I know of dont have a pressure gauge but its a good idea. A gauge on a short hose is common if its slung. I have a long hose on mine but mine is mounted to my main tank.
 
I have one of the thread in "tiny" ones and it works just fine.

N
 
Hi jsado,
There are varying opinions on what type of PG to use on a pony but most people would agree that you should have one. How will you know if it's charged or not? You could attach your backgas reg set on the surface I suppose to read the pressure, and then replace that with your pony regs set but I think the hassle would get old fast and you would still be blind (pressure wise) beneath the surface. I wouldn't dive with a bottle I couldn't monitor.

If you plan to use the pony as a redundant air source only, not as a deco or stage bottle, then a simple button guage will do. It will give you the basic pressure in thousand psi measurements and will let you know if it is full, halfway full etc...
For a more accurate reading you would want to go with a PG with 100 psi measurements on a six inch hose.

The benefit of a button is that it is cheaper and it sits close to the first stage.
The negative of a button is that your first stage has to be oriented right in order to read it, it's small and it's not very precise.

I have a button on my pony now (and it works ok) but know I will replace it with a proper spg as I refine my rig.
Just my 2CW.
Dale.

A button should cost about 25 - $30 and a regular SPG should cost about $80 plus about 30 - $40 for the 6" hose (prices in Vancouver Canada).
 
I bought a pony a couple years ago which had a little pressure guage screwed into the first stage. It's so small I can't read it under water even with a prescription mask.
 
The newest versions of the button gauges are about 1" in diameter and are a lot more readable under water than the older 1/2" button gauges.

However, not all of them are created equal. Some have a scale that only travels about 120 degrees rather than 180 degrees so they offer significantly less definition and are still hard to read.

On a stage bottle I prefer to use a 2" SPG on a 6" or 7" hose since the 100 psi increments allow greater accuracy when turn pressures count.

On a deco bottle, I either use a button gauge or don't use one at all. Accuracy, beyond confriming it is full prior to the dive, is not important on a deco bottle. You plan your deco gas and then bring along 1.5 times what you need. Knowing the pressure during the dive does not really help as you can't make more once you start the dive. On the other hand, it is reassuring to have a ballpark indication, the button SPG is useful in terms of having a needle to watch during gas switches, and it is a good visual indicator to let you know the reg is still pressurized or depressurizing during the dive with the valve off.

Consequently I tend to compromise and use one of the larger and more readable button gauges on my deco bottles. It does not add as many failure points (no hose and no HP spool) as a regular SPG and it is quite streamlined.

Some divers feel it is important to set up your stage and deco regs so that they are identical. That makes sense if your regs often serve as both, but if they are dedicated to stage or deco roles, I prefer to optimize them for those roles and eliminate the hose and extra complexity on the deco regs.

With a pony the primary consideration needs to be bullet proof reliability adn if you are using it, it is because your primary failed and you either have enough gas in the pony or you don't so checking it is just wasting time and gas. But unless you take a pressure checking gauge along with you to check the tank on the surface before every dive, a larger button gauge is a good idea as it makes it easy to confirm the pony is still full prior to the dive.

The picture below should give you a good comparision. The one on the left is a 2" SP gauge on a 6" hose and the one on the right is a 1" OMS button gauge. There is some glare from the flash on the button gauge, but it is a pretty good simualtion of what can happen under water with the flat lens face. It is harder to see but still readble.
 

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I have one that screws dirrectly into 1st and is 1" I can read it fine. good luck
 
If this is truly a "pony" bottle and not a deco bottle or an extra tank to extend your dive then all you really need is a small gauge to check that the tank is full. You don't need a gauge, you can use a tank checker. As the pony or buddy bottle is for bailout only, once you are in a bailout situation you are going up no matter what and when you run out of air, you are out of air, if that is in the deco or safety stop, oh well, should have had a larger bottle. A gauge changes nothing--you are going up and you either have enough air or you don't. You will know you are out of air when nothing comes out of the regulator, from there on you are doing a free ascent. N
 
I agree with Nemrod here. It all depends on what you're using the pony for, but if it's strictly a bailout, you don't need to read the gauge at all underwater, because when you use it, you're just going to grab the pony reg and start ascending. So you just need to make sure it's loaded before you descend, and on mine the little OMS button gauge does fine for that.

If that's how you're using it, I would also recommend trying it out occasionally. On my last dive of the weekend I will sometimes test myself, switching over to the pony and doing my ascent on that (last dive because it would mess up my air-integrated computer tracking for any subsequent dives). Having done that several times, I know I can ascend from at least 100' with my normal safety stops on my 19cf tank - and that's still with plenty of air left. The point is, you don't want to have to be checking your bailout pony pressure if/when you have to use it.

Now, using it as a stage/deco cylinder is another thing entirely...
 

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