Please critique this cave diving video

[Ze_Abron]

Now I have never dived in caves, caverns or similar. And will probably never will. But even my untrained eye found this rather disturbing.

[video=vimeo;23419610]http://vimeo.com/23419610[/video]

I guess this isn't DIR?

 

[VooDooGasMan]

They have dove that cave many times, I have also. years ago with single tank no bc, it looks like a great vid as in placing him in tight spaces. as you can see clear, and warm. they have cave line all over there area. It is up to you on diving for your own safety. Also they have been caveding a very long time, The diver is more than likely a experienced caver who is showing his caves at an easier cave for every one to see you can come dive here, like you seen not much but for the new caver it is a great start. and you just go in far enough your available air allows to go back.



Happy Diving

 

[Cave Diver]

Now I have never dived in caves, caverns or similar. And will probably never will. But even my untrained eye found this rather disturbing.

I watched about 4 minutes of it and it's not how I'd choose to approach the dive. However it looks like this may include some potential sump diving and there are some different considerations if that's the case. Without knowing more details about the location, plan, conditions, etc. it's hard to really critique the methodology.

 

[WillYanni]

That guy was just being stupid. All the pulling himself on the ground/not swimming at all. Dumb.

@ VooDoo
if he is an experienced cave diver, then I wonder how he has not died yet.


If you are not overhead trained I would not suggest going into an overhead environment

 

[rongoodman]

There are often differences in technique and equipment between cavers who dive, as opposed to cave divers--they're coming from two different mindsets. Pretty cave, though.

 

[VooDooGasMan]

There are other of these caves in the area, it is a bit to get to them, the one he is in has a bit of current as it goes to like 650' to 700'.
the vis is usually like 100'. the divemasters at the place I got tanks and air told me how to get there and dive it, they would guide but said if you have been in a cave it is not bad. I agree it was a great dive, others were there when I came back out, that had tanks in different configurations, A lot older then the one in the vid. With barely understanding one diver said it is the same just deeper.

I would of liked to try deeper, but my agenda was to dive the other caves also, without spending a ton of time getting all the gear the entry.

Until you go to europe and dive them, it is hard to see that there ways and gear are what they have available for there money.

Another thing is they go into military right after school, thats how most countries are, and they all get scuba dive experience. So most learn to dive and had no say if they wanted to or not. Things may have changed since I do not know.


Happy Diving

 

[emoreira]

He could dive that way because there is no silt there. He was walking with his bare hands over the stones. It also seems that the cave is not deep, he needs no added flotability to enter and leave and it's notorius that he is really heavy. I cannot critique.

 

[Belmont]

You are a bit harsh in your judgment. This diver is doing what he learned and what he is doing is getting the job done.
No danger of a silt-out there, the smallest bit of sediment is an inch across. The protocols and procedures developed in Florida
are not in use everywhere, the configuration also.

There is an old tradition of spelunking in Europe, the diver is wearing overalls that have certainly a dry cave. His cylinders are contained
in a carrying bag likely used to transport them over dry portions of a cave.

 

[irishsquid]

He could dive that way because there is no silt there. He was walking with his bare hands over the stones. It also seems that the cave is not deep, he needs no added flotability to enter and leave and it's notorius that he is really heavy. I cannot critique.

You are a bit harsh in your judgment. This diver is doing what he learned and what he is doing is getting the job done.
No danger of a silt-out there, the smallest bit of sediment is an inch across. The protocols and procedures developed in Florida
are not in use everywhere, the configuration also.

There is an old tradition of spelunking in Europe, the diver is wearing overalls that have certainly a dry cave. His cylinders are contained
in a carrying bag likely used to transport them over dry portions of a cave.

I'm not a cave diver, so my opinion may not be worth squat, but; I agree. If this had been a cave with a different bottom, less flow, and more restricted, his technique would have left much to be desired. Trim, buoyancy, finning technique, too many danglies, all of these would have got him in trouble quickly. For this cave it worked OK. IMHO

 

[karstdvr]

You are a bit harsh in your judgment. This diver is doing what he learned and what he is doing is getting the job done.
No danger of a silt-out there, the smallest bit of sediment is an inch across. The protocols and procedures developed in Florida
are not in use everywhere, the configuration also.

There is an old tradition of spelunking in Europe, the diver is wearing overalls that have certainly a dry cave. His cylinders are contained
in a carrying bag likely used to transport them over dry portions of a cave.

I have to agree. Many cave diving techniques are regional,and cave type specific. It appears to be a very hard type limestone that handle contact,versus some limestone that will crumble and break off with contact. Conversely,this diver would find rebuke if he used these techniques on say Florida caves. Thank you for sharing the video.