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I need to go diving and on a vacation in the US :) I am planning a trip to st John or one of the US Virgine Islands I know nothing except the advertisements I see on the web for hotels, dive shops etc... Does anyone know any packages or a good place stay and Dive? Any input is appreated.

Right now we are thinking of St. John, cocnut coast studios and low key watersports?

Scuba@Programmergeek.com
 
Whats your budget? How many people? Any non-divers? You like seclusion and quiet or a party atomosphere? What is your skill level? All-inclusive or not?
 
I've been to St. John many times although only recently as a diver. Tell me a little more about what you like and I'm sure I can give you some tips/ideas.

My favorite place to stay, BTW is Gallows Point, but make sure you get a water front condo. Also, depending on when you go, you can often get an internet special there that's much cheaper than their "standard" prices. The plusses for Gallow are nice grounds, an entire bungalo and very close to town. I like the "immersion" factor when I'm on vacation.

If you're more into the resort thing the Westin is very nice also. If you stay there, you'll definately want to rent a car as it's a bit out of town. Otherwise, skip the car. It's much easier (and cheaper) to take a taxi to most places. There are also trails in the park, that can make for a nice hike to some of the beaches.

Anyway, if you've got any specific questions, I'd be happy to tell you what I know.

Regards,
JC

BTW, I got married on St. John's Hawksnest Beach in '99.
 
I'm also looking for a trip to St. John. However, i'm on a budget. Anything you recommend below $140-$200 a night for double occupancy?
There is only 2 of us going: my boyfriend who is also a diver and I.
We like to party, but also enjoy some relaxing calm.
All inclusive resorts might be better, as there is not as many logistic problems.
I was also thinking about coconut coast and diving with low key watersports.
 
I went to St. Thomas two years ago. Would highly recommend Chris Sawyer for diving. He is on the East Side at the Renassance Hotel/Resort, right across from St. John. The Westin is nice, but probably expensive. Regardless of where you stay, I would recommend Chris Sawyer, and take his one-day dive to the Rhone.
 
PGK:
I need to go diving and on a vacation in the US :) I am planning a trip to st John or one of the US Virgine Islands I know nothing except the advertisements I see on the web for hotels, dive shops etc... Does anyone know any packages or a good place stay and Dive? Any input is appreated.

Right now we are thinking of St. John, cocnut coast studios and low key watersports?

Scuba@Programmergeek.com

HI PGK and all new members!
Welcome to scubaboard.
Check out this thread on St. JOhn.
Enjoy!

http://www.scubaboard.com/t10615.html
 
Alright, time for JC's abbreviated guide to St. John :)

First of all, I love this place. As I stated above, I got married there and it has a special place in my heart.

Before I get into this too much, let me tell you the types of things I like on vacation because what's great for one person may not be so great for someone else, and my opinions are definately a result of what I like. My wife and I like to stay somewhere nice, but we're definately not the resort type. I don't mind carrying my own bags, and I'd much rather walk through town and experience the "atmosphere" than drive through. We can afford to spend a little money to stay/eat at nice places, but we get very annoyed if we don't feel like we're getting equal value for what we spend.

I'd definately recommend St. John over St. Thomas. St. John is much more slow paced. Getting there from the airport is a bit of a hassle. Frankly, the taxi drivers at the airport on St. Thomas can be a bit rude. Sometimes the ferry guys are great and sometimes not. Also, you'll want to bring lots of small bills for tips to get you from the airport to St. John. From the porters, to the cabbies, to the baggage handlers on the ferries, you'll feel like you're being nickle and dimed to death. Hold on though, it's worth it. Once you get off the ferry in Cruz Bay, everything changes. St. John is much more relaxed and enjoyable. I make it a ritual, as soon as I get off the ferry to go straight to the Dockside Pub and order an ice cold Guiness. Helps me get into "vacation" mode. During peak season, St. John can be a real party town (but certainly not "spring break" crazy). I prefer off-season, when things are much less crowded and more "sleepy". I like having a beach to myself :)

If you've never been to the West Indies, remember, men need to wear shirts and women need cover ups (if in bikini) while in town, but you can walk around w/ a drink in you hand anywhere you want.

On that note, you can generally find good wine at one of the markets, but it tends to get a little pricey. Beer is a different situation. Beer on St. John is cheap. Even expensive imported beers. If you're a Guiness freak like me, you can get real Guiness, not the stuff we get in the states. Mmmm... Guiness. Also, if you like stouts try Tenant's Milk Stout. Anything w/ rum in it is also cheap.

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Regarding places to stay: (there are lots more that I have no personal knowledge of)

Gallows Point -- My personal favorite. It can get a bit pricey, but the grounds and the sunsets (best on St. John IMO) are wonderful. Classy but not the resort atmosphere. The location is also just a short walk from downtown. If you watch their web site, sometimes you can get an internet special for considerably less than their standard rate. The downside is that you have to wait for the last minute to book it. It's basically a condo with maid service.

Westin -- If the resort atmosphere is your thing, then the Westin is a good place. It's expensive but it's one of the two places that I would consider very upscale. They also keep a tight "command-and-control" on the local businesses that serve their guest (such sailing charters and Cruz Bay Watersports) so you'll typically get good service there. It's a little too far out of town for my tastes though. You'll probably want a car if you stay there.

Caneel Bay -- Very similar to the Westin in terms of its "upscaleness". It's a much older facility and like the Westin, you'll probably want your own car. A nice perk is that they have their own ferry to St. Thomas which makes your arrival a little easier.

Coconut Coast -- I've never stayed there, but I've visited the studio and bought prints there on several occassions. The woman that owns it has always been very nice. It's also convenient to town. I hate to sound negative, but there is one issue that you might want to look into before booking there. Behind Coconut Coast, there's a salt pond. Certain times of year, if the wind is right, a fairly unpleasant smell can permeate the area. However, last time I was there, they were doing some construction and if I understand it, they were planning on opening up the pond to the ocean. I'm not sure what the status of that is.

Tamarind Court -- Never stayed there, so I can only speak of what I heard. It's definatley not a five star, but I've never heard anyone say anthing negative about it, so if you're budget concious, it might be worth looking into.

St. John Inn/Cruz Bay Inn -- unless things have changed a lot in the last year, don't bother. I stayed there one night, and found accomodations elsewhere. They're cheap, but not cheap enough for what you get IMO.

Battery Hill -- Middle of the road price wise. These are condos and not part of a resort per se so there will be no maid service, but they're nice units and have a nice view. If you're thinking about staying there, there's one unit that has an awesome view. I don't remember the unit number, but if you're interested, let me know and I'll try to describe it. They also have a small efficency that's less expensive but still very nice. The only negative I can see is that it's a little farther from downtown. It's still walking distance, but if you don't enjoy a brisk walk, it might not be for you.

There are lots of other places to stay, but these are the one I'm familiar w/. It's probably worth it to call a real estate agent down there. They all do property management and you might find a private apartment or villa that's in your price range. Just remember to account for the cost of a rental car if it's not near downtown.

to be continued ...
 
Restraunts: Food on St. John is expensive whether it's from a restraunt or the grocery store. I usually take a full soft-sided cooler for breakfast and lunch food.

Asolar - This is one of the premier restraunts on the island. It is very expensive. Expect to drop a couple c-notes on a dinner for two. It's kind of an asian fusion thing. The food is *usually* outstanding. The chef is very creative, but on a couple of occassions I've had dishes that I though were a little too creative if you know what I mean. The atmosphere and presentation is top notch. If your budget allows, I'd recommend it. They do formal seatings at 6:00 and 8:00 and reservations are a must.

Paradiso - Expensive, but not in the Asolar range. The food here is very good, but I've had at least one experence where the service was lacking.

Stone Terrace - Fairly expensive. The food is good and if you're into wine, they usually have a very nice selection.

Morgan's Mango - Moderately priced. If you like spicy, carribean style food, you'll like Morgan's Mango. I really like their blackened snapper.

Chilly Billy's - Cheap. This is a good place if you want a hearty breakfast.

Ellingtons - Expensive. This is the house restraunt at Gallows Point. Over the years, they've gone through several different chefs and managers. I've had mediocre meals there and I've had great meals there. The last time I was there, it was new management and the food was very good. If you decide to go there, try to go near sunset. They have IMO the best sunset view on the island. I had my wedding reception there, just for the sunset view.

Woody's -- Cheap. If you've ever been to Kansas City Barbeque in San Diego (the bar in Top Gun) you know what I'm talking about. Woody's is a local landmark. It's a whole in the wall bar/restraunt but the locals and tourists alike love it. If you just want to kick back, have some beers and do pick food, Woody's is great. Try to get one of the two tables outside on the street. Woody's is anything but quiet and romantic but it's a lot of fun.

Skinny Legs -- Much like Woody's, Skinny Legs is a bit of a St. John tradition. It's located in Coral Bay on the far (east) side of the island. The food is basically burgers and beer, but if you find yourself on that side of the island, stop in. After a hot day in the sun, those burgers taste real good.

Fish Trap -- Moderately priced. I like it because the seafood is good and plentiful. My wife doesn't 'cause the atmospher leaves something to be desired. Depends on what you like.

Lime Inn -- Moderately priced. This is my favorite restruant on the island. The owner is a very nice guy and makes sure that the service is always extra friendly. The atmosphere is not exactly romantic, but on an island w/ expensive food, it's a good value. Most folks, find they eat there more than once on a given trip. If they're running any specials that include their seafood sausage, don't even bother looking on the menu. Order the special. You'll like it. Their carribean lobster is also very good if you feel like splurging.

Uncle Joes BBQ -- No that's not really the name, but the real name escapes me. Down by the docks, across from the park service building, there's a little open-air restraunt that does chicken and ribs. It's cheap and the food is great. It's no frills dining, but a nice "island" experience.

The Beach Bar -- This bar sits right on Cruz Bay and is a local landmark. If you're going on a cruise or a dive (or most things for that matter) this is where you'll most likely meet up w/ your hosts. The food is typical pub grub. They often have live music during high season. Lots of locals.

There are lots of other restraunts on island and I've eaten at most of them. These are just the ones that stick out in my mind. If you've got questions about one in particular, I'll do my best to answer it.

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Diving: There are basically two dive operations on St. John. Low-Key Watersports is located right on Cruz Bay next to the Beach Bar. They're pretty laid back and fun folks. If you're staying near downtown, they are the most convenient. Try to get them to take you to the east side for diving, weather permitting. The other option is Cruz Bay Watersports. They have a shop in Cruz Bay but run their dive operation out of the Westin. They're a little more polished (keep in mind, polished is being used as a relative term) because they do a lot of business w/ the Westin and it's associated "resort" crowd. I had good dives w/ them. I haven't dove it, but I *think* both of them do dives on the Rhone, which is supposed to be a good wreck dive.

In general, the dives on St. John are pretty shallow and great for less-experienced divers. The dives on the east side tend to be a little deeper (but still fairly shallow) but it can be tricky getting there depending on time of year and the weather.

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Also, a must do while on St. John. Right in Cruz Bay, you'll see a big sailboat anchored outside the Beach Bar w/ a sign that says Noah's Ark. They rent little dingy's. Rent one and good around the island. You can find your own little secluded beach if that's your thing. Also, Hawk's Nest beach is good snorkeling. Don't go to the beach proper, but tie up to one of the sailboat moorings a little farther out then snorkel off you're dingy. I guess you could dive it as well, but I've never seen anyone dive from one of those dingy's and I'm not sure if they'd allow it.

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Anyway, this has gotten a bit long winded, so I'll wrap it up. If I can answer any specific questions, let me know.
 
Thanks
you've been very helpfull. I'll process this information and start booking.
 
j_c_a:
I've been to St. John many times although only recently as a diver. Tell me a little more about what you like and I'm sure I can give you some tips/ideas.

if you've got any specific questions, I'd be happy to tell you what I know.

Regards,
JC

BTW, I got married on St. John's Hawksnest Beach in '99.

I was wondering, do they still have the tent cottages over Maho Bay? This is where I spent my first dive vacation with my brother in 1983. I remember it was really rustic, you were'nt allowed to have the lights on at night, only flashlights and they wanted that to be minimal. Also, the state park ranger gave lectures every evening about the flora and fuana. The best part was the outside cafe served french toast in the morning with white coconut syrup and it was so good that I've never had better not even in Hawaii. I do remember that the peacocks were wild and would wake you up every morning with their racket. To get to the dive op wich was a one man operation we had to climb over the top of the hill and take the trails down to Cinneman Bay where his 18 foot runnabout was anchored.

Dive Safe,
Caymaniac
 

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