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True as far as it goes, but divingscubadude never said the demand regulator was invented by an Australian. He said:



That happens to be true. The single hose regulator was invented by Ted Eldred of Australia in 1949.

Too true. My apologies. I was reading at breakneck speed and blew by that. Thanks, honey.
 
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At least let's get this right. No Australian invented the demand regulator. Emille Gagnon (Frenchman) actually developed and invented it. Coustaeu joined him and they tested and refined it in 1943. Look it up. Today; most historians refer to Gagnan and Cousteau as the fathers of modern scuba diving gear.

Now, there are parts to every organization that are fantastic and much that is crap. It depends on where you are and who is instructing (also who is watching the teachers..). Can all programs be improved? Yup. Some more than others.

And by the way, I teach tables as part of SDI instruction. It is part of the manual, and while I cannot speak for all, my shop and all of our instructors teach and test tables. A computer could always fail, and while SDI requires that you utilize technology, I believe you must have the knowledge to do it yourself.

This is the way I see it- even the best organization and set of standards can be horrible depending on the instructor. Conversely, the weakest set of standards can become the best course depending on the instructor.... Those instructors who are looking to make money teaching scuba(HAH!), produce cut corners and cattlecar classes. Huge mistake. Those instructors who teach diving to teach someone to Dive, will go the distance and insure that they produce well-trained, capable divers. A name is marketing and not worth anything if the diver is unsafe. No organization can ensure competency. Only the instructor can do that. Thank your instructor and dive masters. Not an agency.

To the SDI Instructor who posted this, you are correct but incorrect. Emille Gagnon did invent the demand valve; however, it is noted in the scuba diving history books that Australian Ted Eldred did invent the single hosed regulator. Before you blast someone, get your facts stright.
 
If anybody introduced you to the underwater environment and you did like it than it was your INSTRUCTOR or DIVEMASTER. That they were associated with PADI was just a coincident, they could have represented any other dive organization as well. I believe that the individual who introduces somebody to diving has a much bigger impact on the future of this diver than any training agency.
 
I was curious a while back what standards are required for a PADI facility to be called "5-star" or "golden-whatever it is." (I've heard that a shop offering competing courses from other dive agencies won't qualify, but haven't been able to confirm).

I couldn't find them (the standards), but I did come across this interesting piece written by an employee at a shop in Thailand:

Dive Thailand Newsletter (PADI Standards - Causes for Concern)
What exactly does PADI stand for?

Recently we at Dive The World have been considering upgrading our PADI Dive Centre rating to a PADI 5 Star Center. So I took the time to take stock of the situation and weigh up the pros and cons of the PADI system and to decide if there is any benefit in us being members and of us upgrading our membership. PADI is the global leader in dive certifications and the most widely recognised dive agency name in the world. More than 70% of divers worldwide are taught through the PADI system. However, the PADI system is open to wide-scale abuse and membership has its serious drawbacks.

Believe it or not PADI, unlike other similar professional regulatory bodies, is a limited company registered in USA, not an association. Although PADI stands for Professional Association of Diving Instructors, it is a company limited by shares, not a registered association. This means that its directors must act in the interests of its shareholders to make profits and pay dividends, not in the interests of its subscribers (instructors, divemasters and dive centres).

Shareholders want profit so the company can satisfy them by certifying as many divemasters, instructors, divers and dive centres as possible. Diving professionals (subscribers) want standards maintained and their incomes maximised. This can be achieved through limiting the number of professionals and offering them protection. It seems clear whose wishes PADI, the limited company, is more keen to satisfy. PADI - Put Another Dollar In.

PADI does not control the number of dive centres that it licenses. As long as you pay up your money, send in some photos and sign an agreement stating that you comply with certain regulations, then you become a PADI Dive Center. This leads to the ludicrous situation in popular tourist spots where seemingly every second shop is a dive centre: Phi Phi Island has 30 dive centres. Phuket has over 70, and Bali 110! How can this be in the interests of the members? PADI - Pseudo Association of Divided Interests.

With the large amount of dive centres comes cut-throat competition with price under-cutting, each dive centre bidding to survive in the dog-eat-dog industry. Consequently, dive centres must find ways to cut costs to maintain profitability, and here lies the rub. Teaching standards are cut, by-passed or ignored.

There are breaches of standards everywhere. Open Water course skills are often abbreviated, sidelined, missed, and certainly not mastered. No surprise then that we often hear from customers that some Australian dive centres have even stopped recognising PADI Open Water licenses earned in Koh Tao, Thailand - notorious for processing vast numbers of students in very short time frames. That's quite some indictment of the level of course training and proof that PADI has lost the confidence of its conscientious members. PADI - Pathetic Apathy to Dodgy Instruction.

PADI 5 Star Centers using ropy dive boats, having no oxygen on board and using regular under-qualified divers as 'Divemasters'. What is 5 Star about that? The legal implications are horrific. Apart from that, customers are paying for a professional level of service implied by the PADI name, but being given something quite different.

PADIs Open Water course only requires four dives before telling students, "That's it. You are now a diver!" Does this show responsibility towards protecting the reefs? PADI - Pass Another Dumb Idiot. The Red Sea has numerous rubble sites that look more like an Afghan wedding party after a US air strike, than the healthy dive sites that they were less than ten years ago. That's a crying shame and something that PADI must take responsibility for. After all, they set the training standards.

Clark's anemonefish in bulb-tentacled anemone, photo courtesy of Massimo Boyer, Celebes Divers

PADI do argue that they merely follow the guidelines set by the Recreational Scuba Training Council. But taking a look at the state of the world's reefs and the general diving standards out there, these guidelines are clearly inadequate. I think even making five open water dives (a 25% increase on current requirements) would allow students more time to master and repeat techniques and skills and better prepare them for diving independently. Coral reef conservation, fishing practices, and Project Aware should form a much greater and more important role in the most popular diving course, rather than as a separate specialty course that hardly anyone bothers to take.

Divemasters and Instructors are asked to work for a pittance because they are ten-a-penny and their professional value is degraded by PADI's objective to certify as many of them as possible. This means making a living in the industry is very difficult, and PADI is lowering professional standards and acting against the interests of its professionals. PADI - Playing Around when Danger's Imminent.

I believe the DM role is just as, if not even more, important than the instructor role. DMs lead qualified divers and act as guides for the majority of the diving that takes place. However there is no independent assessment or verification of skills. Do you think that is reasonable? Satisfactory training and achievement levels are left totally in the hands of instructors to assess for this important job. Often dive centres run DM courses simply because they need more staff, so they have an extra incentive to get candidates through the course. We've seen candidates cramming dives in by walking in and out of the sea off a sheltered beach and diving for 20 minutes at 5 metres just to log dives. They do this for 20 or 30 dives over a few days, and hey presto, now they are experienced enough to become DMs!

So DMs can qualify in as little as two weeks, and may well have never even dived in even remotely hazardous conditions, never mind evaluated difficult diving conditions or dealt with inexperienced divers. I fully believe the only way to improve the DM skill level is to make the course subject to independent examination, just like the instructor course. It will make the rating more expensive to achieve but I think it's a price that the industry must pay to get this fundamental job performed correctly.

Each member of PADI has an obligation to inform PADI if they witness first-hand a breach of standards, but mostly this is ignored, as it is seen as snitching on or gossiping about a fellow member. Apart from this, there is no self-regulation or audit of its members, and so standards are not controlled. How can PADI expect its members to regulate themselves? Self-regulation fails across all industries when there is no financial incentive offered. Why doesn't PADI employ staff to travel the world, acting as customers, and checking on its members? At Dive The World we do that very job all the time when assessing potential new dive operators for us to sell. What we see far too frequently is often frightening. Why can we see this but yet PADI, the largest dive agency in the world, can't?

Despite all of the above, we, like the rest of the industry, must stick with PADI, a name recognised throughout the world, at least beyond the world of dive professionals, as the industry leader, and a name that operators can't afford to not be associated with.

PADI must do more to act in the best interests of its members, rather than it shareholders. It must restrict the number of dive centres, and professionals in the industry, by raising the bar. Conduct a field study and calculate some industry carrying levels for memberships. Make the examinations more difficult and varied, make the crucial DM course externally assessed, start regulating and auditing its members at all levels - dive centres, DMs and instructors. Make sure standards are being adhered to. Kick out the crap that is giving PADI a bad name. Raise subscriptions to existing members to cover the shortfall in lost earnings. Start advertising diving to the mainstream media. Members will be better able to afford the higher fees because they will be getting more business.

Make the PADI entry level course more rigorous, in so doing, helping to preserve the long term sustainability of the reefs and the diving industry. Start to act as the guiding light in working for reef conservation worldwide with a department for helping members in setting up marine parks, working with and petitioning authorities to act to protect underwater environments. Help members that are looking at or working overseas by providing balanced advice and support.

If PADI can get these issues right then I am convinced that it will recover its reputation among diving professionals as the industry flagship, and will go from strength to strength, ultimately benefiting its shareholders, its working professional members, marine environments and foreign tourist economies alike.

PADI - Please Alter Direction Immediately!

Written by Sheldon Hey

Note: this article reflects the observations of the author, and not the views held by Dive The World.
 
Very interesting article. I agree it's all about the individual instructor, but it does seem clearly evident that PADI is saturating the market with weekend warriors. How can a person possibly be fully trained to dive in open water in just a few days? It is a relatively high risk sport after all. Safety aside, there does seem to be a an inordinate amount of inexperienced PADI divers who have taken crash courses and are now thrashing and bobbing around on the reefs these days. Tighten your standards PADI- for everyone's sake, as well as our delicate reefs. Perhaps go to a graduating certificate system which limits locations and depth for people taking these weekend courses? Once they have logged a certain number of dives, then they can move on to full certification.
 
It is a relatively high risk sport after all. Safety aside, there does seem to be a an inordinate amount of inexperienced PADI divers who have taken crash courses and are now thrashing and bobbing around on the reefs these days. Tighten your standards PADI- for everyone's sake, as well as our delicate reefs. Perhaps go to a graduating certificate system which limits locations and depth for people taking these weekend courses? Once they have logged a certain number of dives, then they can move on to full certification.

First let me be the first to welcome you to ScubaBoard. :D

Now, let us talk a little about resurrecting threads where the last posts were nearly 2 and a half years ago; typically we make fun of newbs who do that nearly as much as we make fun of non-newbs who do that. :eyebrow:

I am not alone in being of the opinion that if a person of questionable cardiovascular health who could not carry their briefcase up a couple flights of stairs without stopping to catch their breath can consider themselves to be an experienced tech diver, then diving is not a sport. :shakehead:

Moving past my personal definitions of diving and sport, how do you come to believe diving is relatively high risk? Relative to what? Bowling? Golfing in the rain? Sledding? :dontknow:
 
Wow...a blast from the past..

It's a good article, that does highlight some possible 'cons' about PADI as an organization. However, anyone reading it should be aware that it fails to provide any balance, as it doesn't address any of the positives.
 
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First let me be the first to welcome you to ScubaBoard. :D

Now, let us talk a little about resurrecting threads where the last posts were nearly 2 and a half years ago; typically we make fun of newbs who do that nearly as much as we make fun of non-newbs who do that. :eyebrow:

I am not alone in being of the opinion that if a person of questionable cardiovascular health who could not carry their briefcase up a couple flights of stairs without stopping to catch their breath can consider themselves to be an experienced tech diver, then diving is not a sport. :shakehead:

Moving past my personal definitions of diving and sport, how do you come to believe diving is relatively high risk? Relative to what? Bowling? Golfing in the rain? Sledding? :dontknow:

I just hope you guys don't make fun of the newb that spends an hour reading over a ressurected thread, while not noticing that it was in fact ressurected. My brain cells are trashed from all of the bashing, and I feel like and idiot for not checking the dates:dork2:
 

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