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PADI does not teach diving.
Instructors teach diving useing PADI training materials.

Some Instructors are horriable teachers and put students in danger.
Some Instructors teach as bad as I spell and type.

Some Instructors teach their divers to plan and conduct safe dives.


Glad to hear you enjoyed you PADI/Instructor experience.
 
I started diving quite a few years before I had any formal training or certification. That worked just fine. I baught a PADI card for increased access.

Training can be quite a bit better than what you see on the average without being as long as you might think. It's more a matter of what is taught and how than it is, how long. Teach someone to kneel and they kneel. Teach them to dive and they dive.

Teaching the OW student skills in a very rudimentary or contrived fashion, such as while kneeling, really only amounts to a pre-Darwin screening process. ;)

But that's sufficient, IMHO. :11:

This is probably the gist of our disagreement.

I'd say, if the diver does some diving soon after certification, he will quickly move beyond his somewhat meaningless contrived skill level and learn "to dive", as you say. In the meantime, he will be safe enough.

To standardize and document the more natural experiential skill training required to "teach them to dive" would not only be a huge burden on the agency and instructor, I'd suggest it would be a waste of time for many of the students for a variety of reasons.

Most students won't need it, some won't be able to absorb it, etc.

Only a few would benefit, IMHO.

However, it's fine for a superb instructor to add it on his own, but that's different than wanting to institutionalize it or railing against the current methods to the likely unfair detriment to PADI's reputation. The sky is not falling....

By the way, when you say, "teach them to dive and they dive", to what specific improved skills are you referring? Buoyancy control? Handling stress and task loading?

Won't most new divers get a decent handle on those skills in their first few dives?

I think so.

It would be a shame to put them through unnecessary additional training for the sake of a few who might need it.

That kind of thing, however well-intentioned, rankles some people.... :D

Dave C
 
Teaching the OW student skills in a very rudimentary or contrived fashion, such as while kneeling, really only amounts to a pre-Darwin screening process. ;)

But that's sufficient, IMHO. :11:

This is probably the gist of our disagreement.

I'd say, if the diver does some diving soon after certification, he will quickly move beyond his somewhat meaningless contrived skill level and learn "to dive", as you say. In the meantime, he will be safe enough.

Sufficient for what? I lived through it and all I did was take some equipment and go diving...no class.
To standardize and document the more natural experiential skill training required to "teach them to dive" would not only be a huge burden on the agency and instructor, I'd suggest it would be a waste of time for many of the students for a variety of reasons.

I don't know what you mean by "huge burden" but I don't think it would be such a big deal.
Most students won't need it, some won't be able to absorb it, etc.

Need it? We don't need any of it but, IME, teaching diving "differently" makes the whole process easier on everyone involved.
Only a few would benefit, IMHO.

IME, get them off the bottom and diving makes it more fun for everyone. The benefit seemed clear enough to me.
However, it's fine for a superb instructor to add it on his own, but that's different than wanting to institutionalize it or railing against the current methods to the likely unfair detriment to PADI's reputation. The sky is not falling....

The sky isn't falling and any reputation that PADI has comes from their marketing department...certainly not from their performance in the water.
By the way, when you say, "teach them to dive and they dive", to what specific improved skills are you referring? Buoyancy control? Handling stress and task loading?

The short answer is "Yes", although I've written lots on the subject here on the board.
Won't most new divers get a decent handle on those skills in their first few dives?

Absolutely not. Being handicaped by not having critical pieces of information and being taught so many skills "wrong" most divers seem to be able to dive for a very LONG time with little or no improvement. Practice doesn't make perfect...perfect practice makes perfect. Practice doing things poorly and you just get really good at doing things really bad. LOL
It would be a shame to put them through unnecessary additional training for the sake of a few who might need it.

What additional training?
That kind of thing, however well-intentioned, rankles some people.... :D

Dave C

I know. I hate to see so many divers wallowing around and rototilling after having paid for instruction and thinking they got it. It's even more rankling when they try to defend that training without having ever seen anything else or even understanding the standards under which they were trained. Unfortunately, they are usually the ones who are the most rankled but they don't even understand what they are arguing...they're just rankled.
 
I believe you can't scold PADI for this incedent. It's totally the instructors ill-preparation and lack of supervision that caused your struggle. Could have happened to another instructor from a different cert agency any day of the week.

PADI shares some responsibility. It sanctions its instructors.
 
Geez, Mike, do you always have to piss in the Post Toasties?

I have fundamental disagreements with the way PADI classes are done now, too, but I don't see any reason to squeeze the life out of anyone who dares to say something nice about their experience.
 
All those PADI ads and sponsers entice people to dive and go places--and that makes more divers---and that lets us have a bigger voice in the political world----and that may help save a few reefs and sharks....in the long run.
 
How come all these posts bashing PADI have not beeen deleted by the board moderators?

Because it isn't "bashing".
 
Geez, Mike, do you always have to piss in the Post Toasties?

I have fundamental disagreements with the way PADI classes are done now, too, but I don't see any reason to squeeze the life out of anyone who dares to say something nice about their experience.

I certainly don't intend to squeeze the life out of anybody. I would think though that anybody who says something like "PADI rocks" and that there are too many posts on the "evils of PADI" that they should be more than willing to back up those statements.
 

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