PAdI Certificartions

[NU2DIVING]

Hello,

I was wandering about a couple of things regarding PADI Certifications. I currently have my OWD Cert. By Dec. 19th I will have (if all goes well) my AOW, as well as Dry suit and Nitrox Certs. A few weeks ago my Instructor invited me to go on a Boat dive with her. She was doing a AOW coarse with a couple of students and asked if I would mind going on the trip and being one of the guys dive buddies. She signed off on both dives, one of which we went below 60 feet. I have also done two Boat dives in Hawaii that were signed by the Dive master. For my AOW we will be doing Deep, Nav., Boat, Dry Suite, and Night diving. This will be 5 dives in all. We will be doing an additional dive for the Dry Suit Cert as well. One of the Boat dives will also include a Nitrox Dive so I will be getting that Cert. as well. Now, here is my question... Can I use my previously signed off dives to go towards my Boat Cert. and Deep Cert. My ultimate goal right now is to get to Dive Master and I am creating a time line to try and figure out how long it will take me to reach that goal. If I can use my previously signed off dives then I guess I could actually have OWD, AOW, Dry Suit, Nitrox, Boat, and be half way to my Deep Cert. Which would mean all I would need is two more deep Dives, one more specialty, and Rescue Diver to reach Dive Master.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[SteveDiver]

It is up to your instructor.....

 

[Bobby]

I think you mean Master Diver instead of Dive Master & yes you will have to ask your instructor what they will and can apply the required dives. Good luck.

Hello,

I was wandering about a couple of things regarding PADI Certifications. I currently have my OWD Cert. By Dec. 19th I will have (if all goes well) my AOW, as well as Dry suit and Nitrox Certs. A few weeks ago my Instructor invited me to go on a Boat dive with her. She was doing a AOW coarse with a couple of students and asked if I would mind going on the trip and being one of the guys dive buddies. She signed off on both dives, one of which we went below 60 feet. I have also done two Boat dives in Hawaii that were signed by the Dive master. For my AOW we will be doing Deep, Nav., Boat, Dry Suite, and Night diving. This will be 5 dives in all. We will be doing an additional dive for the Dry Suit Cert as well. One of the Boat dives will also include a Nitrox Dive so I will be getting that Cert. as well. Now, here is my question... Can I use my previously signed off dives to go towards my Boat Cert. and Deep Cert. My ultimate goal right now is to get to Dive Master and I am creating a time line to try and figure out how long it will take me to reach that goal. If I can use my previously signed off dives then I guess I could actually have OWD, AOW, Dry Suit, Nitrox, Boat, and be half way to my Deep Cert. Which would mean all I would need is two more deep Dives, one more specialty, and Rescue Diver to reach Dive Master.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[Otter]

In short -- No. Two reasons. First, prior to making the Deep or Boat Dive, you would have needed to complete the Knowledge Reviews and been briefed by the Instructor on issue specific to each dive. On the Deep Dive, you actually have a few 'activities' that you need perform. While PADI standards allow a DEEP Dive between 60 fsw and 100 fsw, I target the depth at 90-95'. One of the objectives of the Deep Dive is to allow you to experience how narcosis may affect you at depth. The deeper you are, the great the effect. From an experience perspective, the least beneficial thing you could have done would be a 60' dive on Nitrox.

While I understand the enthusiasm for moving forward as quickly as possible, to short change yourself on the experience end. There are numerous threads on here about divers doing multiple dives to a platform in a quarry and just sitting there in order to accumulate the necessary number of dives. The intent of those dives are for you to gain experience and if you do 10 dives that are all the same, you likely will have learned less than 10 different dives.

 

[pilot fish]

Sounds to me like you need some real dive experience that can ONLY come form diving. If all you want is a cert collection then what you are doing is fine, but I think you need to take a break from that progression line and just start diving. MY 2 cents

 

[NU2DIVING]

I think you mean Master Diver instead of Dive Master & yes you will have to ask your instructor what they will and can apply the required dives. Good luck.

Actually, I did mean Dive Master but now that you mention it I may have looked up the criteria for Master Scuba Diver instead of Dive Master. I'll Double check that. I was under the impression that to get to Dive Master you needed OWD, AOW, Rescue Diver and 5 specialties.

Mike

 

[Xman]

As Otter has already said, no you cannot. It is not "up to your instructor", it is just a plain no. Why bother aspiring to get the certs if you are not wanting to get any actual training out of it? Any of the PADI Specialties require that you complete Knowledge development, and a Knowledge review BEFORE doing the dives, and that you have gone over that knowledge review with your instructor. You also need to d othe dives under the instructor's direct or indirect supervision (depending on the particular specialty) or in the case of your Nitrox cert, the direct supervision of a Divemaster. You need to do two Nitrox dives to complete your Nitrox cert. In my personal opinion, if you are already doing boat dives, then the Boat Diver specialty will teach you little or nothing. You should aim to do specialties that will actually increase your dive skills/knowledge rather than just going for the ones that will require the least input from you. Specialties that are probably a lot more worthwhile are Search & Recovery, Navigation, perhaps Night?, Wreck etc..
Good luck with your progression to Divemaster or Master Diver (whichever you actually meant). By the way, Divemaster does not require any particular specialties, although experience (with or without Specialty certs) in a wide range of diving types and diving environments is definately a good starting point.

Edit: Just read your post above. You have read the wrong requirements.
Master Diver requires rescue and 5 specialty certs. DiveMaster is the first rung on the professional ladder and requires a fair bit more than that. While I support the idea of pursueing as much dive knowledge as you can, you should think about why you want to get to Master Diver. Is it about the knowledge and experience gained, or just the cert? Most people that get the requirements for MAster Diver never bother paying to get the cert. I have 12 specialties, but never bothered getting Master Diver.

 

[diver567]

In short -- No. Two reasons. First, prior to making the Deep or Boat Dive, you would have needed to complete the Knowledge Reviews and been briefed by the Instructor on issue specific to each dive. On the Deep Dive, you actually have a few 'activities' that you need perform. While PADI standards allow a DEEP Dive between 60 fsw and 100 fsw, I target the depth at 90-95'. One of the objectives of the Deep Dive is to allow you to experience how narcosis may affect you at depth. The deeper you are, the great the effect. From an experience perspective, the least beneficial thing you could have done would be a 60' dive on Nitrox.

While I understand the enthusiasm for moving forward as quickly as possible, to short change yourself on the experience end. There are numerous threads on here about divers doing multiple dives to a platform in a quarry and just sitting there in order to accumulate the necessary number of dives. The intent of those dives are for you to gain experience and if you do 10 dives that are all the same, you likely will have learned less than 10 different dives.

That's not true. The knowledge reviews for PADI adventure dives can be completed after the dive. They must be completed before credit can be given for that dive. On the Deep diver course the maximum depth is 130ft.

As for DM versus MSD, the standards for MSD are 5 specialties etc etc. The DM course requires you to do the DM course. A course where if done correctly you will recieve a great deal of experience and learn a lot. If you do decide to do I would recommend doing the internship option. This way you get real experience with real students having real problems.

All the best with whatever you choose, and I definately agree that the more different types of diving you do, the better.

 

[NU2DIVING]

In short -- No. Two reasons. First, prior to making the Deep or Boat Dive, you would have needed to complete the Knowledge Reviews and been briefed by the Instructor on issue specific to each dive. On the Deep Dive, you actually have a few 'activities' that you need perform. While PADI standards allow a DEEP Dive between 60 fsw and 100 fsw, I target the depth at 90-95'. One of the objectives of the Deep Dive is to allow you to experience how narcosis may affect you at depth. The deeper you are, the great the effect. From an experience perspective, the least beneficial thing you could have done would be a 60' dive on Nitrox.

While I understand the enthusiasm for moving forward as quickly as possible, to short change yourself on the experience end. There are numerous threads on here about divers doing multiple dives to a platform in a quarry and just sitting there in order to accumulate the necessary number of dives. The intent of those dives are for you to gain experience and if you do 10 dives that are all the same, you likely will have learned less than 10 different dives.

You may have miss interpreted my intensions. I am not trying to get to Dive Master as fast as I possibly can. I truly am simply trying to plot out a time line. I don't expect to get to Dive master for at least a year probably two. In which time I plan to make many, many, many dives of all different types. I am just curious if I would have the cert. criteria completed for the certs. that I mentioned above. I can't say enough about my instructor and i know she would never ever let me be a Dive Master with out being completely qualified and I would not expect her too. So if what you are saying is true then The AOW Certification truely completes the 1st and only the 1st dive with regard to the specialties and only dives after those sould be considered as being counted towards the Certs. for each of the specialties.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[Xman]

That's not true. The knowledge reviews for PADI adventure dives can be completed after the dive. They must be completed before credit can be given for that dive. On the Deep diver course the maximum depth is 130ft.

I think we're talking about specialties here not adventure dives. Whilst you are right regarding the first dive of the specialty (the Adventure Dive) it has to actually be an intended ADventure dive, not just a dive that happened to be off a Boat for instance.