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I was very surprised when I saw what the AOW course included. As I recall, it's a single classroom session, then a bunch (was it 5??) of dives crammed into one or two days. Certainly not a place to seriously fine tune your skills in any of the areas. As I've posted before, for example, the instructor told me about the UW photo portion "I give you my camera and you go underwater and take a bunch of photos". That's not my definition of advanced. So I decided to hold off. Instead, in my dives since then I've been focusing on getting my weight and trim right, getting confident in my dive buddy skills, studying my computer so I really understand it, monitoring my SAC and trying to control it, and most of all, figuring out how I would react to all different kinds of scenarios I might encounter and get confident in my skills in to handle them. That's the kind of "advanced" I want to be right now, not necessarily someone who's taken UW photos or who's seen a wreck or who's dived at night.
 
mccabejc:
I was very surprised when I saw what the AOW course included. As I recall, it's a single classroom session, then a bunch (was it 5??) of dives crammed into one or two days. Certainly not a place to seriously fine tune your skills in any of the areas. As I've posted before, for example, the instructor told me about the UW photo portion "I give you my camera and you go underwater and take a bunch of photos". That's not my definition of advanced.

I'm inclined to agree. If given the choice I would much rather have taken lessons in specialities which built on the basic skills (such as peak performance buoyancy or underwater navigator), rather than doing a single dive into a new area and being considered qualified (there's absolutely no way I consider myself qualified to dive a wreck after one short dive as part of my AOW (in point of fact, there's no way I'd consider myself properly qualified even after taking PADIs full Wreck Diver course, but that's another story)).

In relevance to the thread at hand, I'd say that it's worth going on to do the AOW soon after the OW - even if you don't end up doing the specialities you want - since it opens the way for EFR and Rescue Diver, which are, in my humble opinion, vital skills which every diver should posses, regardless of their experience.
 
mccabejc:
I was very surprised when I saw what the AOW course included. As I recall, it's a single classroom session, then a bunch (was it 5??) of dives crammed into one or two days. Certainly not a place to seriously fine tune your skills in any of the areas. As I've posted before, for example, the instructor told me about the UW photo portion "I give you my camera and you go underwater and take a bunch of photos". That's not my definition of advanced. So I decided to hold off. Instead, in my dives since then I've been focusing on getting my weight and trim right, getting confident in my dive buddy skills, studying my computer so I really understand it, monitoring my SAC and trying to control it, and most of all, figuring out how I would react to all different kinds of scenarios I might encounter and get confident in my skills in to handle them. That's the kind of "advanced" I want to be right now, not necessarily someone who's taken UW photos or who's seen a wreck or who's dived at night.
The AOW course only mandates the deep dive and the navigation dive. Everything else is your choice. I chose peak performance buoyancy, night, and wreck. I also got the "drysuit specialty" along the way because I did OW and AOW dry.

On the deep dive, we went to 95 fsw. We monitored our air consumption and did a few tests to see if there were any symptoms of narcosis. (For me, there were none.) I enjoyed this dive, because I was able to determine in a controlled environment that I could do it. I haven't dived to 95 fsw since, but almost every one of my dives since the deep dive have been to 75-85 fsw. Why, because that's the depth where the good stuff to look at is.

The navigation, night, and buoyancy dives also contained good information that I can use, do use, and will use on a continued basis. The only skills I haven't used are from the night dive, and that's because I only got my lights a few days ago. I plan to do a night dive ASAP so I can enjoy playing with the seals that hang out at the dive site. (Or is it the other way around.)

If an OW diver is struggling with buoyancy and other issues after getting certified, they shouldn't take AOW. (You might question why they passed OW in the first place.) However, if they are comfortable in the water (not only in their own opinion, but also in the opinion of an instructor), then taking AOW is useful because it opens up a much wider venue of diving, such as dives deeper than 60 fsw, night dives, etc. Right or wrong, most boat dives require AOW.
 
Daryl Morse:
The AOW course only mandates the deep dive and the navigation dive. Everything else is your choice.

It is? There seems to be an inconsistency from school to school, then. We were told what our extra 3 dives would be, and, when one student requested to do PPB, we were told they were "not negotiable".
 
Deep and Nav dives are the only two dives that are set.
The other three are subject to the dive school. as you can imagine, somewhere like Ireland wouldn't be the place where Fish identification would be a very popular one to have, whereas drift diving or drysuit diver may come in a lot more useful in the Irish conditions. You'll prob generally find that a lot of schools wont give different students on the same advanced course a choice of different dives, to keep things easier. Although PPB is always a handy one to do.
 
I just completed my OW class and had a great instructor. During our two day OW class we completed six dives. I signed up for the AOW class with the same instructor as recommended. The reason I signed up is not for a "score card" or to prove anything in comparison to others. I really do not care what experience others have compared to my own. I signed up because here in South Texas the viz in area lakes is terrible and winter is coming. I have a trip planned in Jan to Belize and want more dives and experience under my belt. I know that if I did'nt sign up, my next dive would be when I go on vacation. I already have a private diving trip booked in Belize with a PADI dive instructor. I informed the instructor that I was a new diver and want the security of a private outing versus a group outing. The instructor also recommended that I take the AOW before I get to Belize. She has agreed to work with me when I get there. I have along way to go before I would even consider myself as an experienced diver. Taking the AOW is dependant on the individual taken the course and the reasons of. If one is taking it to try to say that they are something they are not they are fooling nobody but themselves.
 
Daryl Morse:
If an OW diver is struggling with buoyancy and other issues after getting certified, they shouldn't take AOW. (You might question why they passed OW in the first place.)

Wow. Surprising comment. Most folks take the OW class using rented equipment. When you're done with your OW, you're either using different rented equipment or have bought new equipment. Buoyancy and trim will likely change. And the OW instruction, in my experience, isn't intended to optimize your buoyancy, it's intended to plant folks firmly on the bottom so they can do their skills. When I got done with my OW, I ended up dropping 4 lbs of weight right off the bat.

I sense that some folks on this board feel that if you come out of the OW class without being an expert diver then you blew it. Hmm....
 
Good thread ... and already some good thoughts covered. Would like to add my 20 psi ...

mweitz:
I was "sold" the AOW class as the "rest" of the OW class. If the OW class is indeed lacking as so many of you claim, then new students should be enrolled in a AOW class as soon as they can. They (we) get another 6 supervised dives, some book reading (not great, but better than nothing) and some additional classroom and pool time. We also get 4 specialty classes that are geared to our local conditions.

The AOW class also gets new students back into the water, most likely increasing their confidence. From my understanding a lot of people get their cards then never dive again.

So, why not go straight to AOW?

Mark

Mark ... I would say it all depends on what you want to get out of an AOW class. If all you want is more bottom time with an instructor's supervision, then I'd say it's OK to go straight into the AOW class from OW. However, I counsel my students to work on basic skills and acquire a modest level of comfort in the water before taking the AOW class.

I try to focus my time and attention in AOW class on teaching new skills, rather than just reinforcing the ones you learned in OW.

I start with how to plan a dive. From there we go into gas management ... how to determine your SAC and RMV rates, how to use them to figure out how much air you would need for a given dive plan, and how to calculate turnaround pressure and rock bottom pressure. After gas management we cover buddy skills, and techniques for not just keeping track of your buddy but also working together to plan and execute a dive. From there we go into buoyancy control, trim, and weighting. Next comes navigation techniques and skills, then techniques for diving in limited visibility, and finally search and recovery techniques. This is all taught workshop style, so we're going through actual diving scenarios while we're covering the material ... planning dives, calculating air consumption, role-playing, and constantly looking at "what if" situations where things might not go according to plan.

And that's just the classroom stuff.

Our first dive starts out with a weight check, followed by a series of navigation patterns that require you and your buddy to both work together ... you can't achieve the goals of the dive unless you constantly communicate and share information during the dive ... all while maintaining a depth of 20 feet for the entire dive. This is followed by a second weight check with your cylinder nearly empty. Then we do a second navigation dive, using both natural and compass techniques. Since you're learning how to be self-sufficient, I lead you around for a while, then when I give the signal you lead us back ... using the techniques you learned in the classroom.

Before we do our deep dive, you'll do a dive that requires you to record your air consumption while swimming hard (for 5 minutes) and while hovering (for 10 minutes) ... and during the surface interval you'll use those measurements to calculate your air consumption rates and tell me how much gas you'll need for your deep dive. You'd be surprised how many divers discover they can't safely go to 100 feet on the cylinder they're diving. While doing your deep dive, you'll practice OOA drills while hovering ... at 90 to 100 feet. On the way in you will shoot a surface marker buoy and do a free ascent to 15 feet, do your safety stop mid-water, then ascend. This is a very useful skill if you plan to dive off a boat. Your night dive will also include navigation skills ... just to see if you've retained the stuff you learned during the first couple of dives and could really get yourself back to shore under less than optimal conditions ... I lead you out, you lead me back. Finally, the search and rescue dive ... you'll find an object I manage to "lose" ... planning the search pattern with your dive buddy and executing the plan. Once you locate the object, you'll use a lift back to rig it and bring it to the surface.

So ... think you could manage all that with just the experience of your OW dives? Most people couldn't. But with 20 dives worth of practice first, you'd not just manage it but you'd come away from it with a great deal more skill and confidence.

The moral of the story is, whether or not you should pursue AOW straight out of OW depends on what you want to take away from it. If all you want is six more supervised dives, then go with the shop that encourages you to go straight from OW to AOW ... but don't expect to take a lot of new skills out of the class. But if you want a real education, then find an instructor who wants you to get some practice with your basic skills first. Take their advice and work on adding some proficiency to the skills you learned in OW. Then you'll have something we can work with to teach you some real skills that you were never introduced to in OW. We'll also have the opportunity to answer "why" you were taught certain things in OW that were never adequately explained ... because at the time you lacked the experiential context to understand the explanation.

When you walk away from that kind of class, you will have actually learned something worthwhile ... something that will make you competent to feel you've actually earned the "A" on the AOW card.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Bob,

That sounds like an awesome course.

I just did my 23rd dive today. My buddy did his 9th I think We start class tomorrow. It will be interesting to compare notes on what we get out of it.

Mark
 
Have a great class Mark ... and ask lots of questions. Skills get a lot easier to master when you understand not just what to do ... but also why.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 

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