Oriskany Dive Report – March 9, 2007

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Is it common for someone with only 12 dives to be diving this wreck? Even though a DM is present it sounds like a "trust me" dive since the poster mentions this person with only 12 dives had bouyancy problems. They also went to a depth of over 100' already. The Spiegel is usually only for advanced open water divers and I was pretty certain the O was similar. I guess "technically" someone with 12 dives could have an advanced open water card but it just seems crazy for a DM or boat to take that liability. Am I the only one who thought this?

Miranda
 
Miranda, it was my understanding before I did this dive that ordinarily someone had to have more than 20 dives to dive the O. Eric would have to give his own explanation as to why he made an exception with her, but I can tell you that she does have her AOW (I think Naui), and was Nitrox certified. I was leery at first, but Eric assured me she could handle it. I felt confident enough with my own skills that if he had to focus on her, I knew I would be okay. (I would have been rather disappointed, but not concerned.) And after a little initial trouble on the first dive, she did fine on the second, and Eric did a great job in managing a three-man team (which is not usually my preference in diving).

I can say I personally wouldn't have chosen to dive the O with only 12 dives, but we each have to make our own choices. With 58 dives, including some pretty advanced beach, pass, wall and drift dives, under my belt at that point, I knew I'd be okay.

dldiver, yah, I'm stoked! Can't wait to watch this after just having been on (not to mention IN) her!
 
Leejnd:
Miranda, it was my understanding before I did this dive that ordinarily someone had to have more than 20 dives to dive the O. Eric would have to give his own explanation as to why he made an exception with her, but I can tell you that she does have her AOW (I think Naui), and was Nitrox certified. I was leery at first, but Eric assured me she could handle it. I felt confident enough with my own skills that if he had to focus on her, I knew I would be okay. (I would have been rather disappointed, but not concerned.) And after a little initial trouble on the first dive, she did fine on the second, and Eric did a great job in managing a three-man team (which is not usually my preference in diving).

I can say I personally wouldn't have chosen to dive the O with only 12 dives, but we each have to make our own choices. With 58 dives, including some pretty advanced beach, pass, wall and drift dives, under my belt at that point, I knew I'd be okay.

dldiver, yah, I'm stoked! Can't wait to watch this after just having been on (not to mention IN) her!

This post should be pasted in the thread about the SG. With 58 dives someone is an expert, confident that she can rescue a new diver @100' - scary. I guess at 100 dives you'll be ready to do some serious penetration. The thing about SCUBA is that anyone can to do it (all you do is swim and breath) until something goes wrong, and lots of people don't realize they have no skills untill it's too late. :shakehead

There's a reason why so many new divers leave the sport after a couple of years and a big part of is that they have a real close call and don't want to play anymore. Of course, some of them just end up dead.

Unreal
 
Wow, remind me to stay away from this forum! This was rather uncalled for, I think, not to mention harsh.

First, I did NOT say that *I* would feel confident rescueing a new diver. The fact that you wrote this leads me to believe that you did not truly read the report (which was long, I know...but still, doncha think you should READ it all the way before you start bashing me?) HAD you read the report, you would have realized that I was diving in a team of three along with a very experienced divemaster, who would have been wholey responsible for the other diver had she had any real problems. My post was simply stating that I felt confident I could take care of MYSELF if he had to deal with any problems she was having.

I certainly do not consider myself an expert at 60 dives. However, I have fallen in love with diving, and have made a point of educating myself as best as I can. I have completed my AOW, and have been diving all over the world in some very cool places, including several quite advanced dives such as a pass/drift dive in Rangiroa, wall dives in French Polynesia, deep dives off Catalina Island, and even a small wreck dive in the Caribbean. My regular weekly dives are considered advanced in and of themselves -- I do weekly beach dives off the coast of Malibu, sometimes in some pretty hairy surf. I dive with many well-trained buddies from whom I've learned a lot. I am not telling you all this to blow myself up...simply to point out that at some point, after a certain amount of experience, I would imagine that a diver has the right to consider herself safe enough to deal with herself in the event of an emergency. And that is all I was saying...once again (I repeat, in case you are skimming again) -- I was only concerned with having to take care of MYSELF in the event the new diver had a problem. After all, I was not the one being paid to take care of her.

Does that clear things up for you?

And now I'd like to get back to enjoying this thread.

Thanks for all the kind comments everyone! :)

MASS-Diver:
This post should be pasted in the thread about the SG. With 58 dives someone is an expert, confident that she can rescue a new diver @100' - scary. I guess at 100 dives you'll be ready to do some serious penetration. The thing about SCUBA is that anyone can to do it (all you do is swim and breath) until something goes wrong, and lots of people don't realize they have no skills untill it's too late. :shakehead

There's a reason why so many new divers leave the sport after a couple of years and a big part of is that they have a real close call and don't want to play anymore. Of course, some of them just end up dead.

Unreal

Oh, by the way John, why don 't you go......nah, I won't drop to your level and say what I'm thinking. Go have some fun...sounds like you need it! :wink:
 
Ah don't let one know it all keep you from us! Others and myself enjoyed your excellent report and hope to see more in the future! :D
 
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