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I'm getting ready to get into some DSAT courses and was doing some gear research as I look to start doing tech diving. I'm not sure if I'm missing the bus or something, but is there some reason why I shouldn't just buy a SCR or CCR instead of doubles, deco tanks etc? I think eventually I'd end up on a rebreather anyway, so why not just skip all the tank purchases and get a good system? Appreciate any insight, opinions and thoughts. Thanks, Wes
 
Well, that's certainly the way I would be going, CCR first, the deep.
I already dive CC, though only with air diluent (= nitrox).
Never had any reason to dive He mixes as most all SoCal diving is within rec depth.

Doubles were never an option, just too damn heavy.
If I dive doubles they're 13 to 19 cf in size and have a CCR in between.
Might go to two 30s with a pSCR in between, but that's it.

The advantages as I see them:
I do most all my diving CC, so I won't have to relearn everything at a later point.

Higher proficiency by the I would do dives requiring He mixes.

Less money spend on gear buying it once, much less on expensive He.

Easier to go from rec depth to extended range once, and on CC, rather than twice,
having to go back from OC deep diving to rec limits when switching.

Don't see any disadvantages in my situation, to be honest.
Am sure someone else will, though. :D


As far as SCRs for extended range diving are concerned, you want to go with a pSCR.
In the US the RB80 is the only choice, which requires GUE training. Lots of it.
DIR-F, Tech-1 and Tech-2 are pre-requisites.

In Mexico you can get IANTD training on the RB100 Halocline from Germany.
In Germany you can also get IANTD for the Habanero and PSA/E for the RON.

The cmf-SCRs like the Drägers aren't well suited for He mixes.
It's being done, but I certainly wouldn't choose them.

CCR there a plenty of options, with several agencies usually supporting each unit.
 
I'm getting ready to get into some DSAT courses and was doing some gear research as I look to start doing tech diving. I'm not sure if I'm missing the bus or something, but is there some reason why I shouldn't just buy a SCR or CCR instead of doubles, deco tanks etc? I think eventually I'd end up on a rebreather anyway, so why not just skip all the tank purchases and get a good system? Appreciate any insight, opinions and thoughts. Thanks, Wes

Just be aware, DSAT does not have a CCR course so your instructor's opinion on this subject may possibly be tainted.
Although some would disagree (mostly OC crowd) if you know tech is where you want to go, and you figure CCR is where you see your self, don't waste the money on big double tanks and expensive regs. Everything else will work equally well with OC or CCR.
 
I did the full tech road on OC and then had to redo some of the same classes for CCR. My opinion and money suggest getting Advanced Nitrox OC and then go CCR for everything else.
Meg and Inspo Pilot;
Bill
 
Everyone... thanks so much for the information. I left a message with my DSAT instructor to make sure everything will be cool with a rebreather as my final check before I start researching which type (SCR, CCR) and brand to purchase. Other than this forum, where's a good place to get an objective opinion, pro's, & con's that a prudent person would want to know?
 
Everyone... thanks so much for the information. I left a message with my DSAT instructor to make sure everything will be cool with a rebreather as my final check before I start researching which type (SCR, CCR) and brand to purchase. Other than this forum, where's a good place to get an objective opinion, pro's, & con's that a prudent person would want to know?

Rebreather World - Rebreathers for Scuba Diving - the next step
 
Thanks Dave, appreciate the link. That's a pretty nice site. I'm sure I'll be able to find answers to all my questions there.
 
Alright, so tons of great information on all of these sites and forums... there's still something unclear to me though...

I understand that SCR's get rid of some O2 and that CCR's are more expensive... but that is about the extent. I'm trying to find something that gives a quick pro/con of an SCR vs CCR. I'm assuming a CCR offers more capability, but to what extent? Is it just time or is maintenance and depth effected as well?
 
Alright, so tons of great information on all of these sites and forums... there's still something unclear to me though...

I understand that SCR's get rid of some O2 and that CCR's are more expensive... but that is about the extent. I'm trying to find something that gives a quick pro/con of an SCR vs CCR. I'm assuming a CCR offers more capability, but to what extent? Is it just time or is maintenance and depth effected as well?

A SCR rebreather, in order to avoid problems with oxygen below 20ft or depth use a nitrox mixture appropriate to the planned depth. For an active SCR system such as the dolphin or azimuth the deeper you go the leaner the gas mix so therefore the the more gas has to flow in order to get the required oxygen in the loop.
The inert gas has to be vented so some bubbling occurs and deeper dives get shorter gas durations.
CCR rebreathers or more correctly variable volume closed circuit rebreathers replace the oxygen consumed by the diver and the inert gas stays within the loop only venting when the diver starts to ascend, which increases the volume in the loop due to expansion of the gas.
For the most part SCR will give you about a 5:1 gas efficiency over open circuit wheras a CCR can give 25:1 gas efficiency. The CCR will use the same amount of oxygen regardless of depth.
One other limitation of SCR is you are required to stay within your MOD limits for the nitrox blend you are diving yet you end up with somewhat less O2 in the loop than what is in the carry gas. For instance a person using a 36% nitrox when swimming hard may only actually have 28% nitrox in the breathing gas and decompression must be calulated using the lowest expected number for safety reasons.
All in all the SCR has very limited practical use in this age of low cost reasonably reliable CCR units available.
 

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