OOA on the Vandenberg

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Divers: Myself, a brand new DMC. 26 years old, generally in good shape. Diver 1, about 40, has considerable experience and is a little heavyset, but appears to be in decent shape. Diver 2, also about mid 20's, some experience and in good shape. Both were AOW, myself having complete rescue diver and just started DMC,

Dive Site: USNS Vandenberg. Vis was 30+, current pretty mild for the location.

Being a DMC, I usually get paired with either single divers, or a pair of divers unfamiliar to the area. In this case, in was the later. I was paired up with them, and upon telling them my background, everyone agreed that I should lead the dive. Having probably 15+ dives on the Vandy, I felt pretty good about the dive planning and shared my plan for the first dive. We would descend on ball 5, head to the bridge area, then follow the current back the port side back to the stern. I briefed that despite the plan, we would turn the dive at 1800 psi. Once we descended the mooring line, I did air checks with everyone, and we were all +/- 100 psi with each other. We made out way along the main deck (about 90 fsw) to the bridge, then went up through the structure and out the port side bridge wing. When I checked on everyone's air, we were all at about 1700 PSI, so perfect time to follow the current back to the stern. When we got the mooring line, I did another air check, and the older gentleman was at 700 PSI! At this point I went ahead and offered my octo, as I was at about 1250 psi. He declined, and we began our ascent, with me checking on him every 10 feet or so. At about 30 feet, he ran out of air, and I gave him my octo with 1100 PSI. Once he had the octo, I showed him my SPG to show we were ok on air. The company I work with hangs a tank at 15 feet in case someone does run out of air. Once we safely got to this tank, he switched over, but was getting a lot of seawater with each inhalation. There was another diver close by that saw the situation and was carrying a pony, so he came over and donated the pony reg to the OOA diver, with which we completed the safety stop and made it back to the boat.

Once on the boat, obviously I felt at blame so I talked to the gentleman. He could not have been nicer, didn't blame me at all and was thankful to both myself and the diver with the pony. After a post dive debrief, he wasn't sure why he burned through so much air on the way back to the mooring line. However, he did say that once he saw he was low on air, he started to take quick, shallow breaths, which is something I know now is not conducive to conserving air and actually results in quicker air consumption. Even if there was no hang tank or diver with a pony, we both could have shared air and been safe, as I surface with about 750 PSI remaining. All in all, I think I was more shaken up than he was, me being a new DMC. He had no faults to anyone involved, and our second dive went perfectly and was very enjoyable.

Lessons learned: Be ultra conservative when diving with people you are unfamiliar with. Although we discussed general air plans before the dive, I should have been better with doing checks with those I was guiding. More checks are never a bad thing. Take into account the stress of diving a new location and how that may effect air consumption. I was the only one who had ever dived this fairly large wreck, so they were counting on me to know the proper route. Always take a more conservative approach on the first dive. Had I done this, I would have known more of our limits for the second dive. Lastly, don't be afraid to call a dive. Had I not had a good talk with both my dive group and the divemaster and discussed what had happened and how better to conduct the dive, I probably would have called the second dive on the Vandy, or at least not lead. Luckily I had a lot of support and discussion for lessons learned on the surface interval, so I felt fine guiding the second dive and it went as perfect as could be. I also could have made the approach to the bridge a bit shallower, no reason to transit the entire wreck at 90 feet when I could have done 70 feet, the dropped down to where I wanted to be. a 10 meter difference would have had a significant impact on air consumption given the 450 feet or so we transited. Last lesson learned: if you use a hang tank, remember to turn it off after it is used to prevent any leak during the SI. On my way back down I did secure it, but still, the little details can make the difference. Anyway, I am open to any and all criticism about this dive and want to learn how I can best prevent any of this in the future.

Hopefully this wasn't too long, thanks for any insights! Since then I have guided a ton of dives, all just as planned.
This is why if one of my regular dive buddies cannot dive I refuse to go diving. Was down in kW in August and my regular buddy could not dive due to nasal congestion. Did not dive not even 1 time anywhere on trip for lentire week, even though I dragged down gear and cameras from New York , pissed me off big time. I refuse to pay to dive and be forced to dive with an unknown person and not enjoy myself who usually runs low on air or other issues. Rather not dive at all than accept responsibility for someone I would need to baby sit. Sorry if this sounds harsh , but this is how I feel with today's climate on liabilities. If something goes wrong I can be sued big time as I am an instructor with insurance and we all know how bottom feeding lawyers can be. Want me to dive with someone with questionable ability, then I dive for free and get paid to accept the responsibility.
 
For me personally, I wouldn't have started a fuss at the ascent line, 90' deep with a diver that had 700psi in their tank and no deco obligation.

I'd be reassuring, signal OK and let's go up, everything is fine - you remain calm and provide comfort, smooth easy ascent, right by their side. Don't fix something that ain't broke - you'd have to be locomotive breathing to kill 700psi in 3 minutes of ascent and 3 minutes at 20' - and if the person actually was - you need to calm them down.

The air checks during the dive are perfect, someone fibbed, misread, equipment issue or was having a personal issue. When there's a possible problem, be right there close at hand, look them in the eyes, signal OK, signal slow down, point to your octo and signal ok - most of all be the calming effect. Taking a perfectly good regulator out of someones mouth and providing an alternate that is supposed to work adds to the tension. 700psi is a lot of air!!!!
 
This is why if one of my regular dive buddies cannot dive I refuse to go diving. Was down in kW in August and my regular buddy could not dive due to nasal congestion. Did not dive not even 1 time anywhere on trip for lentire week, even though I dragged down gear and cameras from New York , pissed me off big time. I refuse to pay to dive and be forced to dive with an unknown person and not enjoy myself who usually runs low on air or other issues. Rather not dive at all than accept responsibility for someone I would need to baby sit. Sorry if this sounds harsh , but this is how I feel with today's climate on liabilities. If something goes wrong I can be sued big time as I am an instructor with insurance and we all know how bottom feeding lawyers can be. Want me to dive with someone with questionable ability, then I dive for free and get paid to accept the responsibility.

We all have to make our own judgments about what is worth it and no shortage of potential instabuddies whose skills are questionable, but, yes, this seems pretty extreme. But, if it lets you sleep better at night, who am I to criticize? I've had plenty of good dives on trips when my buddies were unavailable.
 
Does he require glasses? Serious question. He could have seen 1200 and thought 1700, or the hand signals could have been botched between 1200 and 1700.
Maybe. Or maybe he was embarrassed by his consumption, didn’t want to mess up the dive for others, and thought he could eke it out with whatever he actually saw on the SPG.
 
For me personally, I wouldn't have started a fuss at the ascent line, 90' deep with a diver that had 700psi in their tank and no deco obligation.

I'd offer the option. Some divers find it reassuring when they have a bigger number on the SPG and someone else is controlling the dive, also if something else goes south, I can put them back on their reg knowing they have plenty of air and I can deal with whatever else is needed.


Bob
 
Sounds like you handled it well, and you tried to monitor his air consumption but things kinda got away from you. It is a good learning experience - an uncomfortable diver can suck a lot of air. Perhaps as you gain more experience you will notice immediately when the buddy starts sucking air - not a whole lot you can do about it however.

If there is any critique, you said he ran out on the safety stop and then switched to your octo. If you "allowed" him to actually run completely out, then that was a mistake. It would have been safer to try really hard to get him to switch over when he was hanging at 30 and still had a few hundred in the tank. Giving him a little buffer, before he MUST switch over gives you and him time to make the transition and maybe try something else, say if your octo had a torn mouhpiece or something. It is also a good idea to try to preserve a few hundred so he can operate the BC etc.. It would be really bad if he let go of the rope and sank, with zero air in the tank.
 
I haven't been able to determine conclusively whether this is true, but I seem to actually use less air when I have a larger tank (not just ending the dive with more because I started with more.) I definitely get nervous when my air gets low, and I probably breathe faster without even realizing it.

Yeah mate this is how it is, add a pony and you can go all day

Only you have to believe it for it to be true


Between the depth, the current, and the fact that the most sensible dive plans involve following a circular route, it is easy to have a sensible dive plan that has to be scrapped 1/3 of the way through because someone is low on air. That's demoralizing for everyone involved, and poses safety risks if someone misreads their SPG or isn't watching it or lies or whatever.

I call it death by embarrassment
 
I cave dive. I always turn off my tank when I clip it off on the line and continue into the cave. Having it on and a leak or free flow while I was gone would be a death sentence. Shutting off a hanging tank is ok, but that must be discussed in the dive briefing and you all should inspect the tank when descending

You don't have a lot of novice / early AOW divers in a cave situation. For this context you want to keep is simple.
 
and that means turning an unattended tank OFF in every situation

What are you talking about
 
Farsightedness check? Without reading glasses I sometimes suffer from number dyslexia.
 
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