Not servicing my gear EVER!

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This is not directed at you copter53, just the ideas you expressed. You are right about catastrophic failure being unlikely, but I want to make sure you understand that the DIY guys (me included) who are saying "service only when needed" are keeping a VERY close eye on their equipment. We don't wait for problems to occur, we try to head them off....

If you pay attention to what the DIY guys are saying, you will NEVER be diving with equipment that is malfunctioning in even the most minor fashion. While we may not be overhauling our gear on an annual basis, we are inspecting and testing very frequently. This results in you knowing far more about the "state" of your gear than you would if you simply did the annual servicing, and this will normally allow you to detect problems very early, before there are any symptoms like freeflows.

I service my own regs, I do strongly advocate against un-needed service, but I will NOT dive with any piece of gear that is not performing 100%!

But sometimes, things still happen, even when you are inspecting and testing carefully. Small problems can still crop up. A couple dives ago, my wife had an octo freeflow ever so slightly at the dive site when she pressurized the reg. I'd tested it the night before, and it was 100% fine. I could only hear the "hiss" if I put the reg right next to my ear (which I do every time I pressurize a reg). I quickly swapped out the octo from my backup set, and we dove. I certainly could have done a quick "field repair" (detuned the octo slightly) and had her use it, but that would have been silly. I knew it was not a simple "tuning" problem... the seat was worn, and detuning would have stopped the leak, but would also reduce the performance of my wifes backup reg, which is not the right or safe solution.

A general "mechanical rule" is that mechanical problems usually don't just "go away on their own", and "small problems become BIG problems at the worst possible moment".

Personally, I would define "needing service" as any deviation from normal performance and function. The level of service needed just depends on what "deviation" is occuring. Maybe a "touch-up" tuning or adjustment is all that is needed, maybe a good cleaning and relube, but maybe a complete overhaul is needed.

As a footnote: The octo I mentioned above had gone 3 1/2 years since it's last "service". I obviously goofed with that octo; I waited a bit too long before servicing it :(

Best wishes.

LeadTurn_SD,

Although I may not agree with you 100%, but at least I agree with the "spirit" of what you said. I would just add the caution that very few people would have your mechanical abilities and talent to be able to service their own equipment. Most folks either don't have it or don't have the time or means to be good at it. Even if you and I agree that it is "easy" to do it, not too many people would see it that way for various reasons.

Good post!!
 
LeadTurn_SD,

Although I may not agree with you 100%, but at least I agree with the "spirit" of what you said. I would just add the caution that very few people would have your mechanical abilities and talent to be able to service their own equipment. Most folks either don't have it or don't have the time or means to be good at it. Even if you and I agree that it is "easy" to do it, not too many people would see it that way for various reasons.

Good post!!

Most folks either don't have it or don't have the time or means to be good at it.

I would agree with this as I try and only leave my regs with someone I trust (this can not always be done) I have to believe that someone who is competent servicing 5-10-45 regs a week would be OR should be a heck of alot better than myself putzing around with mine 2-3 times a year... JMHO...!

I am pretty handy as I service X-ray equipment but still leave regs, Holley carbs, and transmissions to those who should know what they are doing!!!

lee
 
I am pretty handy as I service X-ray equipment but still leave regs, Holley carbs, and transmissions to those who should know what they are doing!!!

Transmissions are ridiculous, and I've had trouble with (Weber) carbs. Servicing a regulator is somewhere between oil change and water pump.
 
So I still haven't serviced my gear. I took it to St. Andrews jetties in Panama city this morning, went to Morrison springs last weekend. Everything seems fine. I'm debating now if I should take it to Dive Locker and get it at least inspected.

Could the tech mess it up during an inspection though or no?
 
So I still haven't serviced my gear. I took it to St. Andrews jetties in Panama city this morning, went to Morrison springs last weekend. Everything seems fine. I'm debating now if I should take it to Dive Locker and get it at least inspected.

Could the tech mess it up during an inspection though or no?
I'm going to assume that by "gear" you are referring to your reg setup.

In most cases, a reg inspection consists of a visual check that nothing is obviously broken on the reg setup (first stage, second stage, hoses, hose fittings, SPG, etc.), check for any obvious freeflows or leaks, visual inspection of the first stage inlet for corrosion, measurement of the i.p. of the first stage, measurement of the second stage cracking pressure, verifying that the adjustment knobs/levers work appropriately, and a subjective breathing test. If the tuning of the reg needs to be optimized, it's possible that the reg tech might include that as part of the inspection. In most cases, an inspection does not involve taking apart the reg, so the probability of the tech messing it up is very low. That being said, I could see an inattentive or not-so-careful tech who inadvertently damages the reg just by handling it.

Why not do a comprehensive pre-dive reg inspection instead?
If any of the test results aren't up to snuff, then take the reg in for tuning/diagnosis/repair.
BTW, if you own a reg, you should own an i.p. gauge as well.
 
You should get your regulator serviced IAW the manufactures written guidelines. Failure to do so could result in voiding the warrantee. It could also result in catastrophic failure in your reg from one of several problems. Dry rotting hoses, a tear in the diaphragm, ripped o-ring there are several different ways it could fail. And depending on the problem you might not be able to tell while conduction your surface checks. Or it might not cause a failure till your under water and working the reg harder.

The main point is that all of your SCUBA gear is life support equipment. Do you really want to risk your life over not properly maintaining your equipment.
 
I am somewhat of the same opinion as the OP regarding long or no servicing.

We've owned our regs for about one year now. Mine are Dacor Eagle pro DPD, and the wife has a Mares MR12 XL. We dive about 30 dives/yr and store them in a wine cellar. (A real wine cellar made of concrete in the ground, not one of those mini-fridges.) I believe the wine cellar to have almost ideal conditions for Regulator storage ~ 50-60* and 70% humidity throughout the year with no UV rays. I usually wash them well, dry them, and store them in garbage bags in the wine cellar.

I was planning to go at least 5 years between servicing so long as they check out with an ipg and basic inspection before trips.

Any opinions on the durability of either of these regs as far as low use and long service intervals?


(I don't see the regulator failure as life threatening. PITA if it fails? Yep. But if I'm within non-deco limits and have an unobstructed path to the surface (as I should with only OW cert.) I don't foresee a failure as a life threatening event. )
 
@jbtut: You might have issues finding parts for your Dacor reg in the future.

I think you may be correct on that. They are newer mares built regs, but parts may still be hard to find. This may even mean servicing isn't an option.
 
I am somewhat of the same opinion as the OP regarding long or no servicing.

We've owned our regs for about one year now. Mine are Dacor Eagle pro DPD, and the wife has a Mares MR12 XL. We dive about 30 dives/yr and store them in a wine cellar. (A real wine cellar made of concrete in the ground, not one of those mini-fridges.) I believe the wine cellar to have almost ideal conditions for Regulator storage ~ 50-60* and 70% humidity throughout the year with no UV rays. I usually wash them well, dry them, and store them in garbage bags in the wine cellar.

I was planning to go at least 5 years between servicing so long as they check out with an ipg and basic inspection before trips.

Any opinions on the durability of either of these regs as far as low use and long service intervals?


(I don't see the regulator failure as life threatening. PITA if it fails? Yep. But if I'm within non-deco limits and have an unobstructed path to the surface (as I should with only OW cert.) I don't foresee a failure as a life threatening event. )

The Mares MR-12 is a great diaphragm 1st, a "tried and true" design. Extremely durable.

Will you be able to get 5 years out of it between services? Who knows. You could with a little luck.

Some of my MR-12 are approaching 4 years. One I rebuilt not due to any issues with IP creep, but because one of my kids had apparently been a little "sloppy" handling the reg and probably had allowed some salt droplets to strike the filter, thus causing some mild, premature verdegris (green corrosion), so I went ahead and performed a full overhaul "just in case" there had been water intrusion BEYOND just a few drops on the filter. Another I rebuilt was purchased used, and was probably NEVER rebuilt, and was over 10 years old, AND was performing just fine... but I rebuilt it anyway (because I had specifically bought it as a "practice" reg; to practice rebuilding).

Both of my "new" MR-22's began to "creep" slightly at about 2 1/2 years, so I rebuilt them.

One of my "used" Zeagle Flathead VI's is approaching 5-6 years I think, and as far as I can tell has not been rebuilt (ever), and is flawless in IP lockup and overall performance. I'll probably just go ahead and rebuild it in a few months for "peace of mind".

My best answer is that it just "depends" on:

1. Amount of use and dive "environment"
2. Avoiding all water intrusion, proper care (washing) and storage (cool, dry, no UV)
3. Some luck!

Best wishes.
 

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