"not a good enough reason"

[VooDooGasMan]

I only read the op post, there is plenty down deep, In the great lakes there are perfect ships, great visability, the shallow ones are wearthed and damaged, the deeper ones are just amazing.

In the ocean the sealife is bigger, yes the color is gone, but if you go down on air you'll get narked up and see colors alright. Its like night diving, you will see different creatures.

 

[Kingpatzer]

I would point out that people diving to depths to see stuff are not diving deep just to dive deep. They have a goal of seeing and experiencing something at those depths and are therefore not included in the comment that depth for depth sake is not a good enough reason to do it.

There are great reasons to dive deep, with the right training and experience. But "I got to my personal depth record" isn't a good reason.

 

[TSandM]

But "I got to my personal depth record" isn't a good reason.

But that is a highly personal opinion, isn't it? The fact that I agree with you doesn't make us "right". And I really don't think there is something intrinsically more noble about diving to look at fish, or wrecks, than diving just to dive. I don't understand somebody who will do an hour of decompression in cold, green, Sound water just to run line in the mud at 150 feet, but I don't disapprove of them doing it. A very good friend of mine has gone through full trimix over the last year. I'm not at all sure what he's found at 200 feet that he didn't see before, but it was something he wanted to do and he did it.

I don't approve or condone somebody heading for personal depth records without the knowledge and skills to do it within standards. I think that's stupid, because for me, the risk of losing your life for a bit of bragging rights just doesn't pencil out at all. But I'm still not sure I'd say that it's "wrong". There's a real moral judgment there. In my book it's dumb, shortsighted, and likely to cause the people close to the risk-taker a great deal of pain and grief. It's inadvisable, and I'll strongly exhort someone not to do it. But it isn't wrong, the way stealing or child abuse are wrong.

 

[northen diver]

Dan Osman did not die climbing.

and its Derek Hershey.

We all make our choices. Those 2 guys lived more than most people can dream of.

Actually it is Derek Hersey. I would think that if you are correcting someone, at least you should get the correction right.

And Dan Osman did die with a climbing harness on and a rope attached to him. The rope melted and he fell to his death. I would call that climbing. How do you think he got onto the lean tower rock before he jumped.


Notice what some of the language says in this magizine and I can go on to several other outdoor magazines and climbing magazines if you would like....They all used words like stupid, callous, reckless.


Outside Online - Dan Osman | Outside Online

 

[raymond phule]

And Dan Osman did die with a climbing harness on and a rope attached to him. The rope melted and he fell to his death. I would call that climbing.

Are you kidding? Is rope jumping climbing?

How do you think he got onto the lean tower rock before he jumped.

He most likely jugged the rope he had fixed at the descent.

Climbing El captain or some other big wall free style just isnt a smart thing to do by about anybody standard. Dan Osman and Derik Hensey comes to mind

Nobody talk about climbing free style. Free solo is the correct wrod or free climbing, but free climbing el cap is definitely a smart thing to do for a very skilled climber.

Nobody have even tried to free solo el cap yet.

Free climbing has no standards nor back up systems. It is just a reckless adventure that shouldnt be promoted. It hurts the rock climbing community in the long run. So when it effects my me and my business, I can call it stupid, callous and reckless.

Free climbing is climbing using ropes for safety but not weigting the rope or any gear in the rock.

People have been solo climbing for a very long time and it doesn't seem like it have hurt the climbing community much.

what some of the language says in this magizine and I can go on to several other outdoor magazines and climbing magazines if you would like....They all used words like stupid, callous, reckless.

For who? Dan Osman? Because of his non climbing rope jump? Now I see that you meant Osman. Why is he even relevant to you point about climbing?

I dont believe those words are often used by climbers for the most famous US free soloist like Croft, Bachar, Hersey, Potter and the last guy that free soloed astroman. Hersey died on a route that have been free soloed relatively often.

Do you climb?

 

[Thalassamania]

...
Do you climb?

No, actually quite the opposite ... we dive.

 

[mavdog]

There is a reason why adolescent male is an option on a death certificate.

 

[Gombessa]

Nobody have even tried to free solo el cap yet.

I hear James Kirk got pretty close to the top.

 

[raymond phule]

hear James Kirk got pretty close to the top.

Sorry, I forgot that one I am not sure if he come more than halfway though.

 

[scubadale]

I hear James Kirk got pretty close to the top.

I am not a climber so I have to ask, isn't James Kirk the guy from Star Trek??

And couldn't they just beam him up??