'Non' DIR or DIR diver?

[texdiveguy]

What is Rec Triox? Forgive me.

I had to look this up also as I was not clear what GUE called it/course structure,,, so thought since I was there I would 'copy' it as a link......

gue.com/Training/Recreational/triox.html

 

[boomx5]

If the best you could do before was to tell me that your deco on the fly simply equals the equivalent of +2 on V-Planner, then it seems self apparent to me that your deco on the fly is too aggressive for all divers.

If now you are adding to your story and saying "Oh yah, we can make it more conservative if we want," then that is inconsistent with your first story.

Even so, either way, I think you should trash deco on the fly completely, and stick with computer programs that generate profiles planned in advance. Not that it truly concerns me, however. In fact, it would be better if you simply keep doing what you are doing. It gives the local chambers more practice, that way. They need practice. They are not getting much practice from anybody else.

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you? Tell me, how many dives have you done using RD? There are those of use who have been using RD for years through many ranges of diving, who have never been bent. Yet, you open your mouth like you are an authority on a subject you've proven you know nothing about. It reminds me of watching Mike Tyson trying to use big words so he can look smart.

 

[rainman_02]

If the best you could do before was to tell me that your deco on the fly simply equals the equivalent of +2 on V-Planner, then it seems self apparent to me that your deco on the fly is too aggressive for all divers.

If now you are adding to your story and saying "Oh yah, we can make it more conservative if we want," then that is inconsistent with your first story.

Even so, either way, I think you should trash deco on the fly completely, and stick with computer programs that generate profiles planned in advance. Not that it truly concerns me, however. In fact, it would be better if you simply keep doing what you are doing. It gives the local chambers more practice, that way. They need practice. They are not getting much practice from anybody else.

Your posts show a lack of understanding of the basic principles of ratio deco.

1) There is a plan in place before getting in the water. If there isn't, then that diver is wrong. The plan covers all the items on SADDDDD, GUE EDGE, Ready to Go DDDDDiving, PADI RULES, or whatever pre-dive checklist you use. Most importantly, planned depth, time, and deco schedule.

It can then be adjusted underwater. We do not go diving without a discussion of the basic deco plan.

2) Conservativism...ratio deco compares to Buhlmann with Gradient Factors set at 30/85 or V-planner +2. This comparison is to assist in "validating" the schedule. However, it does not mean you are limited to just that level of conservatism. If you need more time (comparable to a +3 or +4), then you add time where it makes sense. Most people pad the shallow stops.

As taught in class, the most useful part of the whole ratio deco idea is the "personalization" that can be done to the deco stops. If you find you need more time, adjust the schedule...if you already know you need more time, adjust the schedule before using it the first time.


On other subjects...start providing examples like these and we'll discuss them. But as far as your ideas of ratio deco...they're just plain false. You're either self-taught, or you weren't paying attention in class when the tenets of ratio deco were discussed.

 

[Jim Ernst]

Non DIR.

Though I use a lot of the gear that they do I also solo dive and just dive to have fun and enjoy the world down under water!!

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

If the best you could do before was to tell me that your deco on the fly simply equals the equivalent of +2 on V-Planner, then it seems self apparent to me that your deco on the fly is too aggressive for all divers.

If now you are adding to your story and saying "Oh yah, we can make it more conservative if we want," then that is inconsistent with your first story.

Even so, either way, I think you should trash deco on the fly completely, and stick with computer programs that generate profiles planned in advance. Not that it truly concerns me, however. In fact, it would be better if you simply keep doing what you are doing. It gives the local chambers more practice, that way. They need practice. They are not getting much practice from anybody else.

It doesn't really matter what I say ... you're going to hear what you want to hear, say what you want to say, and believe what you want to believe.

So I really don't much care what you think. Based on your posts, I don't believe you understand much about what your V-Planner program is telling you anyway ... if you did, you'd realize that what you're spouting is akin to a Baptist telling a Methodist that he belongs to the wrong religion and is therefore going to Hell ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Homunculus]

not a dir - don't like equipment restristions.

 

[rjack321]

What is Rec Triox? Forgive me.

Recreational/no deco use of 30/30 (hyperoxic trimix) in the 80-120 range. For someone who professes to know all of GUE-DIR's flaws I'm surprised you don't at least know the standard gases.

Then again, maybe not...

 

[texdiveguy]

Recreational/no deco use of 30/30 (hyperoxic trimix) in the 80-120 range.

Question/s..... how many divers do you guess are breathing 30/30 on dives within the 80-120ft. recreational NDL range outside of this partc. GUE class......and to what benefit are they gaining by doing so?

 

[Doc Intrepid]

Tex,

You began this thread as a "light-hearted" effort to determine how many respondents considered themselves as either "DIR" or "Non-DIR" divers.

"thanks to everyone whom so far has cast a vote in this 'light hearted poll'..."No winners or losers....just a light spirited poll....a non scientific finger on the SB pulse."

While I predicted the usual results, for the past four pages aside from snide remarks the thread has not yet spiraled down into the gutter.

Your post #159 seems determined to start a debate over GUE's advocacy of helium mixes. (It is unclear what you are looking for: a specific number? a percentage of divers? are we differentiating between recreational divers and, say, scientific divers? Not sure what you are after - the benefits are quite pronounced for a very specific segment of divers, undoubtedly a small percentage...but there would likely be no valid data to reach any empirical conclusion.)

You're moving this thread in directions that are no longer a "lighthearted poll" over whether repondents consider themselves DIR or Not-DIR.

I'm going to assume that your question is a genuine inquiry, although the tone suggests that you may disapprove of the practice.

But I'm not interested in seeing the thread devolve into another DIR/Anti-DIR thread...so if it starts to go down that path I'm sure you will have no objections to my closing the thread.

Thanks,

Doc

 

[texdiveguy]

Tex,

You began this thread as a "light-hearted" effort to determine how many respondents considered themselves as either "DIR" or "Non-DIR" divers.

While I predicted the usual results, for the past four pages aside from snide remarks the thread has not yet spiraled down into the gutter.

Your post #159 seems determined to start a debate over GUE's advocacy of helium mixes.

You're moving this thread in directions that are no longer a "lighthearted poll" over whether repondents consider themselves DIR or Not-DIR.

I'm going to assume that your question is a genuine inquiry, although the tone suggests that you disapprove of the practice.

But I'm not interested in seeing the thread devolve into another DIR/Anti-DIR thread...so if it starts to go down that path I'm sure you will have no objections to my closing the thread.

Thanks,

Doc

DOC.... you are '100% correct'....my question is 'genuine'!.....I have all through this thing attempted to keep it on track! In all due respect, I question any MODs ability to interpret 'tone',,I would for one not want that task....its been shown on numerous occasions as in this case to be not the case.....maybe we should look back together at what I have posted verse several trouble makers....one being the fellow that did not answer my question and in all likelyhood punched the Report button. My question stands as being genuine in nature to the DIR Practitioner. If you close the thread it is not by my doing or with my blessing.....but you are the MOD and you do what you consider best for this threads readers.